Popular Post wazzap24 Posted May 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2020 Hyde Park today. I AM A FREE I AM NOT MAN A NUMBER 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 59 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Not going to turn this in to a witch hunt @KentVillan its purely a discussion, and I’m happy to learn new angles, but 2 months ago I was sent home from work, we began furloughing staff, I stopped seeing my parents or meeting up with the guys at the football. At that point, the total cumulative covid deaths here, up to and including that day, were 16. Today’s reported figure here is 18 reported deaths. 18 in a day, versus 16 in total. I genuinely don’t see how more deaths can be seen as the threat has basically passed and we can now start relaxing the current arrangements. Or is there some formula where deaths in Swansea are less concerning than deaths in Sittingbourne? It’s got to be more nuanced, so it has to involve test n trace and has to be more national and regional rather than whole UK. Or we ease off the lockdown and trust the good common sense of everyone, and it would need to be everyone, including creme eggs up the arse guy, Toby Young and serial shagger Boris Johnson. All fair points. How likely do you think it is that Swansea is really that far behind (eg)South East England? The UK is a very well connected country, and most of the regional epidemic curves they’ve shown only lag slightly behind one another. Is there an alternative explanation for the uptick in Swansea? More deaths from Covid-19 are inevitable. What matters is whether the situation is to some degree under control, and I don’t mean whether Boris Johnson has discovered the respective locations of his own anus and middle arm joint, but whether the epidemic has itself run its course. I really recommend checking out the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (CEBM) website. Here’s a recent piece (with regional breakdowns: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-death-data-in-england-update-15th-may/ Quote Consistent with previous analyses, the peak day of deaths was the 8th of April. Here they have a piece critical of ongoing school closures: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-have-we-forgotten-our-children-in-all-this/ Quote The risks of COVID transmission in children are low. Going forward, we will badly need their future knowledge. Children’s education and their wellbeing is – and should be – a priority. Prolonged lockdown of schools penalises an entire global cohort. It incentivises excessive reliance on electronic means of communication and a sedentary lifestyle. It’s a huge shame IMO that the “anti-lockdown” cause has been taken up by a lot of the usual words removed like Toby Young and various libertarians who think they’re cleverer than they are. There is a much more reasonable, nuanced case against it being developed by groups like the CEBM, and it’s worth paying attention to I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, wazzap24 said: Hyde Park today. I AM A FREE I AM NOT MAN A NUMBER Corbyn’s mentalist brother has been arrested there today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Or is there some formula where deaths in Swansea are less concerning than deaths in Sittingbourne? Wales < Kent ? Edited May 16, 2020 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 The funny thing is that Sittingbourne is definitely the sort of place the current government would happily see burn to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Awol said: Corbyn’s mentalist brother has been arrested there today. Yeah, I saw ‘Piers Corbyn’ trending and like quite a few people, I thought it was a alt-right piss take about Piers Morgan becoming a leftie! His brother actually looks like Jeremy does in Sun/Mail readers minds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Immunity / susceptibility isn’t just about antibodies: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 16, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, KentVillan said: How likely do you think it is that Swansea is really that far behind (eg)South East England? They eat cockles and seaweed in Swansea... At least Kent knew the Romans invaded Britain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Quote Police took Piers Corbyn away in handcuffs after he joined protesters with a megaphone, proclaiming that 5G and the coronavirus pandemic were linked. He also said “5G enhances anyone who’s got illness from Covid," and called the lockdown a “pack of lies to brainwash you and keep you in order”. I don't see the problem, who wouldn't want to be enhanced? Quote David Samson, 50, who said he works in finance, said he came to the protest because: “I never thought I’d see in my generation the suppressing of civil rights” over a “fake virus”. A large number of police officers also gathered and was a large round of boos whenever protesters were arrested and repeated shouts of “jail Bill Gates”. I just have no words. How can so many people, many of whom are at least partially educated, believe such utter madness. More insanity: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/anti-lockdown-protest-hyde-park-a4442461.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 16, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 16, 2020 There are a lot of different things in there - Bill Gates fault, 5G masts, fake virus, brainwashing - is there a unifying theory that binds these people together or have they not noticed they don't agree with each other? Also, the Donald will be very annoyed that there isn't a dominant 'blame the Chinese' element here - the Ambassador will be getting a call! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Where are the water cannons and tasers when you need them? Why does the UK have this obsession with copying everything that America does, we should be better than that. I blame the internet... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 7 hours ago, bickster said: Dem the point is and you've completely missed it, WALKING IS EXERCISE So if the problem is "youngsters sociialising", deal with that problem, it's already against the law, don't punish those people obeying the law by further curtailing their freedoms You can walk in your house. You can walk earlier. Not many people work until 9pm. Its just excuses Its not 'punishing' thats very extreme wording. Keeping people extra protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, choffer said: I do. It's much quieter at that time in the ropey old part of West London I inhabit. Haven't come across these socialising youngsters either. Because the people living in west london are different to the outskirts of london. Wealthier to begin with. Edited May 16, 2020 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Because the people living in west london are different to the outskirts of london. Wealthier to begin with. We should just implement a curfew in the outskirts of London then. Maybe just your postcode. Edited May 16, 2020 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, snowychap said: Wales < Kent ? That was certainly the view of NHS England when they wrote in exclusivity clauses for ppe suppliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted May 16, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Because the people living in west london are different to the outskirts of london. Wealthier to begin with. I'd imagine that the people's republic of Hounslow isn't among the wealthiest boroughs of London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 On 10/05/2020 at 15:29, limpid said: Even though it might be illegal? Not allowed customers to the showroom. Can do things online/remotely and take cars to people's home/work to view obviously adhering to social distancing. 'Click and collect' also available although not quite sure how that is going to work. It's not exactly like buying a toilet brush holder from IKEA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, wazzap24 said: Hyde Park today. I AM A FREE I AM NOT MAN A NUMBER He will be a number, around 39.368 in a couple weeks time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 At today's daily briefing, Gavin Williamson - the Education Secretary - said this: "They have looked at Denmark, are creating a protective bubble, reducing the mixing - almost like a family in a classroom. By reducing contact, we dramatically reduce the risk." Shortly afterwards, Dr Jenny Harries - Government advisor - said this: "For children in this environment, we look at what heirarchies of control they can do. If you increase the level of interaction, it's contained. We expect children to run around and interact. If they were sitting directly opposite, that might be more of a risk. The interventions are designed to minimise this." Now, I read that as Williamson saying that reducing contact reduces the risk. Whereas Harries says that she expects children to run around and interact and if you increase the level of interaction it is contained. If I've read that right, how can both of them be right? Surely they are contradicting each other? I found this as confusing as Boris' "stay at home but go to work" speech. There was a graph the other day that showed 2-19 year olds (kids) as the those most tested positive. Why encourage them to interact? No wonder the teachers are bricking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, wazzap24 said: Hyde Park today. I AM A FREE I AM NOT MAN A NUMBER He's actually pretty confused, isn't he. "I am a FREE" "I am not MAN" "A NUMBER" He is a free what? He is not man. A number. I don't think he has to worry about catching the virus, it probably feels so sorry for him he will leave him to live out his life so his brain can be used for medical research. Edited May 16, 2020 by Villarocker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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