chrisp65 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I understand the sentiment on covid freedom gatherings. But in reality, filtering them to refuse treatment would require getting their I.D. and then demanding the I.D. of all hospital admissions. Then the whole smokers / drinkers / druggies / bikers / sky divers argument kicks in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) Sadiq khan a true absolute knob head. Brilliant job he is doing and a truely genius thingvto encourage people ti not take the tubes and buses. Edited May 15, 2020 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Kingman said: And so it begins!.. Must be a wind-up. If not, surely the last sentence should read: "HAVE SOME FUN AND SAY YES TO DEATH" Edited May 15, 2020 by Villarocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 13 hours ago, markavfc40 said: FFS That is bullying! Being steam-rollered towards illness is despicable and those headlines must be driven by the government, surely? Either that or the respective editors want to get their shit-gathering reporters back into the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted May 15, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Sadiq khan a true absolute knob head. Brilliant job he is doing and a truely genius thingvto encourage people ti not take the tubes and buses. What would you rather he did? genuine question. To me encouraging people not to take public transport seems like the right thing to do. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 15, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Sadiq khan a true absolute knob head. Brilliant job he is doing and a truely genius thingvto encourage people ti not take the tubes and buses. Welcome back Real Dem! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Well that should shut a few people up. Let's see the Daily Mail print that tomorrow. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 https://nationalpost.com/cannabis/cannabis-shows-promise-blocking-coronavirus-infection-alberta-researcher/wcm/f1696154-0fbd-4f0c-937e-26f69f8ec48c Quote Cannabis shows promise blocking coronavirus infection: Alberta researcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: What would you rather he did? genuine question. To me encouraging people not to take public transport seems like the right thing to do. Easy take away fines for residents parking for 8 weeks for employees which encourage more people to drive to work as the biggest issue with london and central London is parking. Introduce a curfew for 9pm like nations have done and heavy fines and those fines go towards tfl. Run less trains and less busy periods. Have the trains not stopping at certain stops dont have a full service. You obviously dont live in london so dont have any idea on how ridiculously bad it is for people having to pay ulez fees. Its ridiculous and punishing the poor who cant afford newer cars its not fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 The flattening of the R pre dates the easing of lockdown in england and the psychological pressure put on people by the government to get back on that bus or train. It also pre dates VE Day and a bank holiday weekend where much of the UK anticipated Boris Johnson officially announcing what his team had leaked to the papers, that war was over. Reopening schools in 2 weeks, ha ha ha! BBC Quote Coronavirus infection rate in UK creeps up Quote the revised figures from the SAGE group of scientific advisors say the R-number now sits between 0.7 and 1.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I for one am shocked a wobbling population obviously looking for an excuse to get out would have taken one the instant the govt by proxy promoted it, and thus have now opened up transmission spread further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Easy take away fines for residents parking for 8 weeks for employees which encourage more people to drive to work as the biggest issue with london and central London is parking. Introduce a curfew for 9pm like nations have done and heavy fines and those fines go towards tfl. Run less trains and less busy periods. Have the trains not stopping at certain stops dont have a full service. You obviously dont live in london so dont have any idea on how ridiculously bad it is for people having to pay ulez fees. Its ridiculous and punishing the poor who cant afford newer cars its not fair. What does me living in London have to do with my question. It was an innocent question and you’ve given a good answer. I wasn't aware of all the other context. I thought you were complaining about him purely discouraging people from using Public Transport, which again is still a good thing to do no need for the attitude at the end Edited May 15, 2020 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted May 15, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Easy take away fines for residents parking for 8 weeks for employees which encourage more people to drive to work as the biggest issue with london and central London is parking. I'm confused - the biggest issue with London and central London is parking - and you'd like to address it by adding more cars? Quote Introduce a curfew for 9pm like nations have done and heavy fines and those fines go towards tfl. Again, sorry, a bit confused - how would that help with public transport? Wouldn't it just concentrate the number of people travelling into shorter timeframes? Quote Run less trains and less busy periods. Have the trains not stopping at certain stops dont have a full service. Again, wouldn't this just mean more people packed into fewer trains? Quote You obviously dont live in london so dont have any idea on how ridiculously bad it is for people having to pay ulez fees. Its ridiculous and punishing the poor who cant afford newer cars its not fair. I don't, and I'm always quite surprised when I read people from London complaining that the rest of us don't understand how horrible their still-centralised, publicly funded, integrated mass transit system is - particularly when the level of investment in that system is many, many times higher than the level of investment in other cities. From outside London, we see a system that gets billions and billions invested in new lines, new stock, new stations and massive capacity while the rest of the country suffers with deregulated bus and train services that are chronically underfunded. In short, I don't think you'll find much sympathy outside of the capital, because the system in London is so much better than the system elsewhere, and we helped pay for that. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: The flattening of the R pre dates the easing of lockdown in england and the psychological pressure put on people by the government to get back on that bus or train. It also pre dates VE Day and a bank holiday weekend where much of the UK anticipated Boris Johnson officially announcing what his team had leaked to the papers, that war was over. Reopening schools in 2 weeks, ha ha ha! BBC Just read the article and it says that as the figures are based on the the number of people who end up in hospital it gives an idea of the R number from 3 weeks ago so predates the easing of the lockdown/the bank holiday weekend last week by about 2 weeks. Suggests that if it was going up 3 weeks ago then it will be way above 1 in 2-3 weeks. London is showing as a R rating of 0.4. I'd imagine that is the one most likely to shoot up rapidly again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Anybody complaining about public transport cost or provision in London needs a dose of reality. That’s from somebody that was spending a third of his life commuting around the Midlands, a third commuting around South Wales and a third commuting around London. It might not be great in London, but it’s the best in the UK. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Just read the article and it says that as the figures are based on the the number of people who end up in hospital it gives an idea of the R number from 3 weeks ago so predates the easing of the lockdown/the bank holiday weekend last week by about 2 weeks. Suggests that if it was going up 3 weeks ago then it will be way above 1 in 2-3 weeks. London is showing as a R rating of 0.4. I'd imagine that is the one most likely to shoot up rapidly again. That’s one of the reasons I was so annoyed at the clunking westminster think of that Labour Shadow Minister. ’We need a single approach’, No mate, that’s actually the last **** thing we need because this thing is going to be different in different places at different times. We cannot open or close Manchester and Belfast and Devon, based on last week’s guess about London. Just as we can’t open or close London, depending on the R number in Dundee or Wrexham. Edited May 15, 2020 by chrisp65 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 15, 2020 Funny how the devolved administrations, who arguably have less of a virus problem than England, are being more cautious. I fear the worst for England - every move made by the UK government so far has been pretty catastrophic and I have no reason to believe they are making the right decisions currently. As an adopted Welshie I have never been more glad for devolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: Funny how the devolved administrations, who arguably have less of a virus problem than England, are being more cautious. I fear the worst for England - every move made by the UK government so far has been pretty catastrophic and I have no reason to believe they are making the right decisions currently. As an adopted Welshie I have never been more glad for devolution. It’s nowhere near perfect. The testing is shambolic for starters. It’s turned out that on any number of questions, the First Minister has been quite happy to just answer that he doesn’t know whether he has the authority or not to do various things. Unbelievable, **** find out you **** wet lettuce in someone else’s oversized funeral suit. Plus, I do understand the absolute panic there must be in Westminster about the economy. But encouraging everything to open back up and people to get back on the road and in to buses, that’s just insane before we have testing and tracing regimes in place. I would describe the policy in Wales as less piss poor than England. Oh, and welcome aboard! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 45 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Easy take away fines for residents parking for 8 weeks for employees which encourage more people to drive to work as the biggest issue with london and central London is parking. Introduce a curfew for 9pm like nations have done and heavy fines and those fines go towards tfl. Run less trains and less busy periods. Have the trains not stopping at certain stops dont have a full service. You obviously dont live in london so dont have any idea on how ridiculously bad it is for people having to pay ulez fees. Its ridiculous and punishing the poor who cant afford newer cars its not fair. @OutByEaster? has already mentioned three ways in which this is wrong-headed, but just to add a fourth, we should be wary about adding lots of exhaust fumes to the roads, during the midst of a pandemic that affects the lungs, and hence people with asthma, and the severity of which may be connected to levels of pollution. You even make clear in your post that it's *the most polluting* vehicles that you want back in the city centre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seat68 Posted May 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) Absolutely shocking the London tube system sometimes you have to wait 4 minutes for a train. Edited May 15, 2020 by Seat68 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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