Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, Paddywhack said: I replied, "Why is it a job that requires me to be in the office?". No answer. Are you tired of posting the truth on forum's....I thought so. You should try Embellishit .org I replied in a casual but assertive manner, "Why is it a job that requires me to be in the office?". Not answered quite quick enough so I kicked him in the bolox and set his ruksak on fire with his sandwiches still in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 40 minutes ago, pas5898 said: A friend of mine who works on data models and is employed by the gov data analysis team sent the following: ---–------------------ It's all completely pointless to be honest mate. The questions that will never be answered but we need to model are: How many people have died with the virus? And How many have died because of the virus? The data provided by the NHS is just quick observations and the coroner. They are too busy to even bother. There's guys who've contracted the Virus in hospital but died of natural causes and the opposite. Until there's mass antibody tests, ie how many people have had the virus and been fine, we will never be able to even estimate. Everything I'm doing is completely pointless from a pandemic modelling perspective. We are now modelling potential NHS requirements and ensure they have it. If a single person dies from lack of resources the political landscape (conservative) changes forever. To them, how many die is irrelavant. Its how many people die from a lack of resources. This is exactly the point I have been making for a few pages. Are we making decisions based on actual scientific data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted April 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2020 Obviously - by definition - I don't know if I've got any undiagnosed medical conditions, but I'd be surprised. For an over 65, all my indicators are good. Fitness, weight, BMI, blood pressure, heart rate, all excellent. No allergies beyond mild hayfever a couple of weeks a year, no diabetes, no history of heart disease in the immediate family. If it was just me, I'd say bring it on, I'd rather go through the suffering and get it over with. But I worry about the missus - she has rheumatoid arthritis, and takes immumosuppressant drugs, plus has had cancer, and close family with a history of heart disease. Every time I come back from the shops, I'm scared I'm bringing her a death sentence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Obviously - by definition - I don't know if I've got any undiagnosed medical conditions, but I'd be surprised. For an over 65, all my indicators are good. Fitness, weight, BMI, blood pressure, heart rate, all excellent. No allergies beyond mild hayfever a couple of weeks a year, no diabetes, no history of heart disease in the immediate family. If it was just me, I'd say bring it on, I'd rather go through the suffering and get it over with. But I worry about the missus - she has rheumatoid arthritis, and takes immumosuppressant drugs, plus has had cancer, and close family with a history of heart disease. Every time I come back from the shops, I'm scared I'm bringing her a death sentence. Unfortunately until there is a vaccine you will need to take every precaution. Here is advice from a Spanish health authority that might be useful to you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, LondonLax said: This is exactly the point I have been making for a few pages. Are we making decisions based on actual scientific data? If a patient is not being judged by whether they died because of the virus, or died but happened to have the virus. Then no, we aren't making decisions on scientific data because the data doesn't exist. Also we have no idea how many people have the virus but are unnafected. The data is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2020 Quote A GP surgery sent people with "significant life-limiting illnesses" a letter saying they would "like to complete a DNACPR (do not attempt CPR) form" for them. Llynfi Surgery, in Llynfi Road, Maesteg, sent the letter to patients with serious health conditions such as incurable cancer, motor neurone disease, and untreatable heart and lung conditions, on March 27. Wales Online Spectator approved no doubt. ... Holy shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: yeah this is bothering me too. SOmeone saying "oh but that victim DID have a health condition, he just didn't know about it" brings me no comfort. If it's killing people who have an underlying health condition so mild that you haven't even noticed it, then that could easily be me or my loved ones. Worth noting on this that 75% of Italian victims appear to have had hypertension, something that affects more than a quarter of the UK adult population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: There should be loads of people sorting this out by whatever means and cost necessary to do it better than anyone else (As a rough goal), not just for now but for future pandemics. It's pure gold in the fight against it and the quicker supercomputers can have a bit of quality data the better. We won't know this information for the UK in all likelihood. Death certificates in the UK list multiple causes of death - I remember my grandfather's had four or five - and coroners are too overwhelmed to be performing detailed autopsies or whatever. I guess the best bet for this type of information is small countries with widespread testing and advanced healthcare systems that have largely managed to contain the infection (Iceland seems a promising bet to me). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, pas5898 said: If a patient is not being judged by whether they died because of the virus, or died but happened to have the virus. Then no, we aren't making decisions on scientific data because the data doesn't exist. Also we have no idea how many people have the virus but are unnafected. The data is pointless. This is the problem I have. There are so many people on social media and in the regular media posting things out of fear but there does not seem to be a lot of critical thinking being done. If those making decisions over our lives are operating under a climate of fear instead of clinical science there is a good chance poor decisions are being made at many levels which may cost lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: coroners are too overwhelmed Keep things on ice and do it properly no matter how long it takes ? (Or do you mean the coroners are really sad ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Chindie said: Wales Online Spectator approved no doubt. ... Holy shit. I know for a fact this is starting take place in the hospitals. Nurses are being told not to resuscitate patients with covid-19 who suffer cardiac arrest. This is going to become war like triage soon. I still think some people don't understand the seriousness of this pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 500 beds created at the Excel centre in 8 days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post regular_john Posted April 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2020 50 minutes ago, Chindie said: Wales Online Spectator approved no doubt. ... Holy shit. I'm a GP. I'm currently spending my time phoning our palliative, housebound and life limited patients to discuss DNACPR with them. It is, quite frankly, a horrible task. Sadly, it is a necessity so more resources are available for those with a better chance of survival. 1 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Quote Bad day so far. Death death death Covid? Probably Not taking everyone to hospital as with our lot theres no point A grim few weeks to come Community nursing today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Davkaus said: My smell is slowly returning, but it's wrong. My coffee kind of smells of cheese. Still no taste. This. Coffee tasted like mouldy bread to me for about 5 days after the headaches left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 563 deaths in the UK in last 24hrs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: 563 deaths in the UK in last 24hrs Did we **** up? Should this lockdown have come much earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Did we **** up? Should this lockdown have come much earlier? Whilst you might be right about doing more earlier, there is a 2-3 week lag until effectiveness is known. Judging by how many beds the government are creating it is expected. Hopefully we’re peaking this week, and then the benefit of the actions start to show in the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Did we **** up? Should this lockdown have come much earlier? I'm not sure how the UK did it exactly, the working from home softer lockdown should definitely have come sooner than I think it did, I'd been working from home for 2 weeks I think before the hard lockdown here (my wife was about 4 days) Schools had shut 3/4 weeks before the lockdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2020 Officially furloughed starting tomorrow. HR told me they’re expecting the furlough to last until at least 30th April Trying to look on the bright side. There will be a job waiting when I come back and I have a month of being paid to do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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