Davkaus Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Really enjoyed that post, keep them coming 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 “why wasn’t there a big push…” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Why, if it’s so serious has it not made a bigger dent in the population? Limiting social interaction to a bare minimum for around 18 months, completely shielding the vulnerable and the fact that 70 odd percent of the population got vaccinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr_Dogg said: This could apply to paying tax too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said: That picture only applies to a so called ‘perfect vaccine’ (i.e. a vaccine that prevents transmission, allowing the unvaccinated to be shielded by the break in transmission). We don’t have one for COVID yet, the best we can do is reduce the symptoms but that unvaccinated guy in the picture is going to catch it, the umbrella doesn’t extend to them in the case of COVID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Also the virus mutating into a more transmissible but less lethal version of its self to become the dominant strain. Honestly, why listen to science? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I’m not saying that actions taken at the time weren’t the right ones, the lockdown was as much to prevent overwhelming the NHS as it was to curb the transmission of the virus (the two are intrinsically linked of course). I’m not saying that jabs for those ‘at risk’ isn’t a good idea. But the continued derision of anyone who doesn’t ‘tow the line’ as being dangerous and stupid I do take issue with, the silly analogies about helmets and motorbikes etc I do take issue with. We’re dealing with very low percentages here in terms of catching the virus, it’s far lower in terms of the chances of ending up in hospital, of course the percentages vary from person to person which is why I believe a tailored approach is the correct way forward, not a one size fits all programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchnry Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Amazed we're still having these debates. I've had covid twice. Once after one vaccine and again after 2 shots and the booster. Interestingly I was much sicker with it after the 3 vaccines. Swings and roundabouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: the silly analogies about helmets and motorbikes etc I do take issue with. I don't think it's that silly at all. I've only fallen off my motorbike once, at low speed, and I didn't need the helmet. 99.99% of journeys, I've not fallen off at all and didn't need the helmet. Do you think everyone is guaranteed to die if they ride a bike with no helmet? Of course not. But it reduces deaths anyway. And, of course, motorbike accidents aren't contagious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted August 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, mrchnry said: Amazed we're still having these debates. I've had covid twice. Once after one vaccine and again after 2 shots and the booster. Interestingly I was much sicker with it after the 3 vaccines. Anecdotal accounts are worthless. It's the old "My grandad smoked sixty fags a day and lived to be 97" thing. You have to look at the stats. The big data. If somebody on here chooses to gamble against the odds, there's not much I can do about it when all logical arguments have failed. Personally, I'm both risk averse and socially responsible, so I'll take the option that has literally no disadvantage to me, and potentially some advantage to me and to others. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 37 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I’m not saying that actions taken at the time weren’t the right ones, the lockdown was as much to prevent overwhelming the NHS as it was to curb the transmission of the virus (the two are intrinsically linked of course). I’m not saying that jabs for those ‘at risk’ isn’t a good idea. But the continued derision of anyone who doesn’t ‘tow the line’ as being dangerous and stupid I do take issue with, the silly analogies about helmets and motorbikes etc I do take issue with. We’re dealing with very low percentages here in terms of catching the virus, it’s far lower in terms of the chances of ending up in hospital, of course the percentages vary from person to person which is why I believe a tailored approach is the correct way forward, not a one size fits all programme. Everyone getting jabbed was the quickest and safest way to get to herd immunity and help get us through the virus, thankfully science in double-quick time created that for us and the vast majority of people took it up so we could get there. The same people are vulnerable for flu and covid so the fact they have a booster ready for autumn/winter is good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: No jabs, no virus, no issues. I know a lot of people in the same boat. But apparently it’s like riding a motorbike without a helmet, yeah okay sure. Yeah it is. It's overwhelmingly safer to have the vaccine/boosters. That doesn't mean you're going to die if you don't. You may be perfectly fine. But that doesn't change the fact that it's far far safer to have the vaccine. Nobody is saying it is as unsafe as riding a motorbike without a helmet ffs. It was just an analogy to display the logic being used. 2 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: If it was such a big deal why wasn’t there ever a serious push for mandatory vaccination? Why now do we barely hear about it any more? Why, if it’s so serious has it not made a bigger dent in the population? Because mandatory vaccination is a whole other kettle of fish. Why hasn't it made a bigger dent in the population? It killed 150,000 people. How much of a dent do you want? One of the biggest reasons that death toll hasn't been significantly higher and we don't hear about it much anymore is because... guess what... go on... you're almost there Edited August 17, 2022 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yeah it is. It's overwhelmingly safer to have the vaccine/boosters. That doesn't mean you're going to die if you don't. You may be perfectly fine. But that doesn't change the fact that it's far far safer to have the vaccine. Nobody is saying it is as unsafe as riding a motorbike without a helmet ffs. It was just an analogy to display the logic being used. Because mandatory vaccination is a whole other kettle of fish. Why hasn't it made a bigger dent in the population? It killed 150,000 people. How much of a dent do you want? One of the biggest reasons that death toll hasn't been significantly higher and we don't hear about it much anymore is because... guess what... go on... you're almost there But it’s not far far safer!!!!! Its safer, but we’re talking minuscule percentages! Like driving at 29mph is safer than driving at 30mph. And 150,000 is what? 0.2% of the population? That’s not a dent, it’s not even a scratch. I’m sorry if this offends your senses and I’m sorry if that number includes one or more of your friends or family members but looking at the picture as a whole, rather than breaking it down to each individuals’ personal experiences is far more relevant, in my view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Some people will be in the same situation as foreveryoung anyway; you won’t get to wear the shiny, new helmet. Foreveryoung doesn’t want a booster, other people might, but unless you’re in the eligible cohorts, the decision has been taken out your hands and made for you by the JCVI. I’m sure that’s beyond what some people will be comfortable with, but you have no choice other than to trust the experts. Perhaps it’s not great, and we shouldn’t trust the experts here, for whatever reason, but you have no choice in terms of the new booster. You will still wear a helmet (previous jabs and probably infection) or you can wear a much more effective helmet (previous jabs, possibly previous infection, plus other risk preventive measures) but you won’t get the super protection helmet. So ultimately, you’re still left with some personal decisions to make - you can reduce social contacts, avoid busy areas, and wear a high quality, well fitted masks on the rare occasions you do leave the house. How many people have genuinely been doing all these recently though despite waning immunity? And will you be doing it if you’re not in an eligible cohort for the booster? The logic for not doing these things, whilst probably not exactly the same as foreveryoung, does occupy some of the same space. “I know I could catch COVID, but I’m previously vaccinated and/or had the infection, so I’ll still go to that pub/bar/party on Friday. I want a beer at Villa park, so I’m willing to stand in a packed concourse. Despite the risk, and the airport crowds, I still want to go on holiday next week. I’ll socialise at Christmas, I’ll see my mates, and see my family” You must be weighing up your risk and concluding: “If I catch it, I’m sure I’ll be fine/I hope to be fine next time”. Or as Blandy said: “If I catch it, I’ll handle the symptoms”. Your overall risk factor has already been determined by the JCVI and, if you’re not eligible for the next booster, it’s now left to you to carry on as normal or make those other personal choices. If you had absolutely no belief that it’s likely you’ll be okay, you’d stringently stick to the full suite of personal risk preventative measures. There’s overwhelming evidence to suggest a very cautious approach would help; you’d wear a more effective helmet at all times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: But it’s not far far safer!!!!! Its safer, but we’re talking minuscule percentages! Like driving at 29mph is safer than driving at 30mph. And 150,000 is what? 0.2% of the population? That’s not a dent, it’s not even a scratch. I’m sorry if this offends your senses and I’m sorry if that number includes one or more of your friends or family members It is far far safer for the population as a whole for people to be vaccinated. And on a personal level it makes it far far less likely for you to catch Covid, or be badly affected by Covid if you do catch it. So it might not significantly reduce the chances of you, a fit and healthy youngish person, dying from it. But it reduces the chance of you suffering with it and, the key here, is that it reduces the chance of a hell of a lot of other people dying from it if we all have the vaccine. Again, the 150,000 would have been far higher. It would have been the much bigger dent that you crave. However, everyone did this thing where we stayed at home for like a year to keep the deaths down, and then we all got vaccinated for it which stopped it ripping through the population. 4 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: looking at the picture as a whole, rather than breaking it down to each individuals’ personal experiences is far more relevant, in my view. But that's exactly what you're not doing. You couldn't be looking at the picture as a whole any less. Edited August 17, 2022 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2022 My god, I can't believe some of the thinking on here after all this time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Jesus **** christ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Dumbasses gonna dumbass. What’cha gonna do? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 17, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said: as Blandy said: “If I catch it, I’ll handle the symptoms” To be clear they were @foreveryoung’s words, which I quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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