bannedfromHandV Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 All hail big pharma, saviours of humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: All hail big pharma, saviours of humanity. You never had any medicine in your life then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: All hail big pharma, saviours of humanity. They actually are. That doesn't mean they're not moneygrabbing sharks. The two things are not mutually exclusive. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 It's the suits. The suits are the f***ing enemy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: "I haven't had the vaccine and I didn't die from covid therefore the vaccine was a sham" That's usually the logic It's like one person out of 300 passengers surviving a plane crash and then claiming plane crashes don't kill people 'I am alive today yet billions have died before me. Therefore I am immortal.' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nick76 Posted October 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: I was under the assumption it made it least likely for you to transmit the virus. Not sure what’s what but if it does turned out they lied about that then that’s pretty crap. I’ve had 3 jabs one being a booster. Don’t really regret having them, but I won’t be having anymore. If I was older or vulnerable then probably yes. So the thing that might have saved you which wasn’t much inconvenience to have you won’t have any more of them. If you’ve had Covid in the last couple years, you don’t know whether without the jab that it could’ve hit you a lot harder, life threatening potentially. Plus you are partially protecting people you come into contact with who could be the older and vulnerable including I assume family members. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t get it. I get my booster next week, 15 minutes out of my day, no big deal and based on medical experts thinking we should get boosters. Given I’m not a medical expert and I like my health and family’s health I follow their advice especially as it’s not an inconvenience and doesn’t affect me massively. edit: I’m not trying to get on a soapbox but I don’t understand why you wouldn’t do something that has little inconvenience and protects you from severe side effects and people you come into contact with. Edited October 13, 2022 by nick76 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 We seem to have peaked where advancements in technology made the population more intelligent and are quickly moving in the other direction. It's quite scary to think what the world will be like in another 10/20 years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, DCJonah said: We seem to have peaked where advancements in technology made the population more intelligent and are quickly moving in the other direction. It's quite scary to think what the world will be like in another 10/20 years. Yep. I worry about my kids who like most others, watch a lot of youtube. My lad sometimes mentions stupid conspiracy stuff that I have to nip in the bud. I’m hoping that it actually opens his eyes to not believe the junk that gets posted by unfounded theories but I worry some will still get through and land with him. I think over the next 10-50 years we’ll see a lot of monumental moments like Brexit, anti-vax, end of the world shit based on internet experts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, nick76 said: So the thing that might have saved you which wasn’t much inconvenience to have you won’t have any more of them. If you’ve had Covid in the last couple years, you don’t know whether without the jab that it could’ve hit you a lot harder, life threatening potentially. Plus you are partially protecting people you come into contact with who could be the older and vulnerable including I assume family members. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t get it. I get my booster next week, 15 minutes out of my day, no big deal and based on medical experts thinking we should get boosters. Given I’m not a medical expert and I like my health and family’s health I follow their advice especially as it’s not an inconvenience and doesn’t affect me massively. edit: I’m not trying to get on a soapbox but I don’t understand why you wouldn’t do something that has little inconvenience and protects you from severe side effects and people you come into contact with. Playing devil's advocate but I think the current 'argument' is that this part is perhaps not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Playing devil's advocate but I think the current 'argument' is that this part is perhaps not the case. 1) even if it’s a debate which currently seems nothing more than a conspiracy theory from non-experts it’s not worsening the problems at this point. They are basing it on a Pfizer Exec saying they never initially tested for it. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t and was an assumption from experts based on other vaccines, and expert knowledge and it doesn’t mean other pharma didn’t test for it. but more importantly….. 2) it’s still stopping the person whose getting the booster from getting severe symptoms from Covid. Edited October 13, 2022 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 If the only benefit of having the vaccine was to protect others, and it became proven not to be the case then I could agree with a level of annoyance from people feeling they were duped into having it. As it was though there were other far more valuable personal heath reasons for being vaccinated so it’s a pretty pointless point to make. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 40 minutes ago, DCJonah said: We seem to have peaked where advancements in technology made the population more intelligent and are quickly moving in the other direction. It's quite scary to think what the world will be like in another 10/20 years. We seem to be also be at the stage where some people that have studied a topic all their life are less believed than some keyboard warrior that has no expertise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted October 13, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Xann said: It's the suits. The suits are the f***ing enemy. Big Pharma. Another great catchphrase to demonise a whole industry. You never hear about cancer patients or haemophiliacs banging on about "Big Pharma" do you. They're just grateful for the amazing medicines keeping them alive or living more ordinary lives. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, DCJonah said: We seem to have peaked where advancements in technology made the population more intelligent and are quickly moving in the other direction. It's quite scary to think what the world will be like in another 10/20 years. I guarantee many illnesses that were practically extinct will be more prevelant because of people falling for the anti vax idiocy. What makes people go online and do things like convince people to self harm or commit suicide or make shit up to put people off valuable medicines? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Big Pharma. Another great catchphrase to demonise a whole industry. You never hear about cancer patients or haemophiliacs banging on about "Big Pharma" do you. They're just grateful for the amazing medicines keeping them alive or living more ordinary lives. Such a good point. I worry how easily some peoples frustrations and anger are manipulated by what tends to be far right news outlets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 13, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 13, 2022 36 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Such a good point. I worry how easily some peoples frustrations and anger are manipulated by what tends to be far right news outlets. Russia / Putin trolls also responsible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 43 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Such a good point. I worry how easily some peoples frustrations and anger are manipulated by what tends to be far right news outlets. The irony is traditionally 'big pharma' would have been more of a bogeyman for the left. Rampant profiteering and all that jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, bickster said: Russia / Putin trolls also responsible I feel like we can just blame Putin for all the problems of the modern world and call it a day. He's the catch all modern-day bogyman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, sidcow said: I guarantee many illnesses that were practically extinct will be more prevelant because of people falling for the anti vax idiocy. What makes people go online and do things like convince people to self harm or commit suicide or make shit up to put people off valuable medicines? Hasn’t had the vaccine = going online and encouraging people to commit suicide. Well, at least we have reasoned discussions here, don’t know where I’d go for that if it weren’t for this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Hasn’t had the vaccine = going online and encouraging people to commit suicide. Well, at least we have reasoned discussions here, don’t know where I’d go for that if it weren’t for this thread. This is part of the problem of reading things and allowing themselves to see the answer they want. Sidcow is pointing out things that idiots do online, it's a list of things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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