TrentVilla Posted July 16, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 21/06/2019 at 11:35, sne said: Ruling out loan signings is silly and frankly a bit arrogant. We are not in a position (yet) where we scoff at what loan players can offer. We haven't ruled out loan signings, we ruled out loan signings where we are simply developing other clubs players without the option to buy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, TrentVilla said: We haven't ruled out loan signings, we ruled out loan signings where we are simply developing other clubs players without the option to buy. Yes, a sensible approach. But even loans without options should not be completely ruled out if it's the right player and circumstances IMO 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 There would never be any realistic “right” circumstances where a loan without an option to buy would be the right decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said: There would never be any realistic “right” circumstances where a loan without an option to buy would be the right decision. I dunno. If Grealish did his ACL the day before the window closed I wouldn't give a shit if we loaned someone of a similar quality in without the option to buy. Please let this not happen though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Can't see Chelsea wanting him gone, and I can't see him getting the regular games he needs here if Engels/Luiz/Nakamba deals go through. He's got a great future ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Won’t get enough games here if we get all our signings done. Not sure Chelsea would put a clause in to allow us to buy him either. Not fussed either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted July 16, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2019 55 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said: There would never be any realistic “right” circumstances where a loan without an option to buy would be the right decision. I'm not sure how you can categorically rule it out. I've said it before to do so would be both arrogant and negligent. If player A can be loaned in for a season to fill a gap we otherwise can't fill and that helps us stay in the PL, why would anyone have a problem with that. I don't want 5 loan signings but do be so against any loan is madness imo. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: I'm not sure how you can categorically rule it out. I've said it before to do so would be both arrogant and negligent. If player A can be loaned in for a season to fill a gap we otherwise can't fill and that helps us stay in the PL, why would anyone have a problem with that. I don't want 5 loan signings but do be so against any loan is madness imo. I previously thought Purslow maybe shot himself in the foot abit with his comments but the fact loans without options have been ruled out maybe it means the club won’t even waste time working on these deals. Axel for example. He’s not for sale but you can have him for another season. No thanks, we move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, VILLAMARV said: Can't see Chelsea wanting him gone, and I can't see him getting the regular games he needs here if Engels/Luiz/Nakamba deals go through. He's got a great future ahead of him. He is more of a natural CB than he is a DM so the likes of Luiz and Nakamba will not really have any impact. It's how our 4 CB's will look going into the season. Mings, Hause, Konsa, Chester*, (1 more to come which is anyone's guess who - Engels? Axel? Ampadu?) We won't sign all 3 that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 top class player. Would be a statement if we bought him but dont see a loan being useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: I'm not sure how you can categorically rule it out. I've said it before to do so would be both arrogant and negligent. If player A can be loaned in for a season to fill a gap we otherwise can't fill and that helps us stay in the PL, why would anyone have a problem with that. I don't want 5 loan signings but do be so against any loan is madness imo. The point is that you build a squad of your own players and youth to be able to deal with any such gaps. This seems to be what the club is doing by genuinely trying to have at least two players for each position. Being forced to loan a player with no option to buy is tantamount to admitting complete failure in the clubs ability to spot gaps and build a squad effectively. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said: Being forced to loan a player with no option to buy is tantamount to admitting complete failure in the clubs ability to spot gaps and build a squad effectively. Exactly. I think that’s why Purslow set the stance from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 How is this nonsense so high up and I'm making it higher responding. Doubly annoyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIVillan Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Villan_of_oz said: I'm not sure how you can categorically rule it out. I've said it before to do so would be both arrogant and negligent. If player A can be loaned in for a season to fill a gap we otherwise can't fill and that helps us stay in the PL, why would anyone have a problem with that. I don't want 5 loan signings but do be so against any loan is madness imo. There are times it was needed. Take last year Tammy came and did a job for us but has decided to go back to Chelsea. We have since moved on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 16, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2019 No thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2019 4 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: He is more of a natural CB than he is a DM so the likes of Luiz and Nakamba will not really have any impact. It's how our 4 CB's will look going into the season. Mings, Hause, Konsa, Chester*, (1 more to come which is anyone's guess who - Engels? Axel? Ampadu?) We won't sign all 3 that's for sure. I guess Engels. And he will probably come in with a view to starting games whilst Konsa develops. I don't see the point in loaning an 18 year old centre back with no option to buy. That should definitely be a non starter. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 54 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I guess Engels. And he will probably come in with a view to starting games whilst Konsa develops. I don't see the point in loaning an 18 year old centre back with no option to buy. That should definitely be a non starter. Absolutely DDID, and furthermore the same goes for Tuanzebe to a degree aswell, No clause - No use, we move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 The kid is top draw, to buy then yes all day long, to loan with option to buy ? Hmm tempting as would use him as a sub to close out a game. Straight out loan ? Pointless hes never going to start in front of what we've just bought. He will go to Leeds on loan or actually can see Frank loaning him to Frank Lampards derby. He will do exceptionally well there. Midfielder converted to defender so can happily play either with little effort. Another exeter youth player that's stood out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 front and centre of Chelsea's away kit launch he might be available on loan but I don't think Chelsea have any intention of inserting any kind of clauses that would benefit the loan club, purely a Chelsea player development move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 22 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: How is this nonsense so high up and I'm making it higher responding. Doubly annoyed I’m keeping it high by agreeing with your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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