JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 hours ago, New_Hope said: I have no worries at all that the results will come for us. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we clicked and claimed a couple big scalps. Against teams which "play", we have alot of joy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GeordieVillan Posted September 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) I honestly think that collectively as supporters we all just need to calm down a bit. Obviously after the Arsenal game and yesterday the immediate reaction is like a punch to the gut, but we have to have perspective. Its very early, and we have had our ridiculous expectations realigned. There was always a chance that we might do a Wolves, and we all hoped that would be the case, and even the club’s leadership made sounds about us not just being there to make up the numbers. Equally there was a chance we would do a Fulham, but I don’t think that will happen either based on what we have seen so far. We have shown we can be competitive against established Premier League teams. We have had good spells in every game we have played, and look like we have goals in us now from all over the pitch. We have been unlucky at times, and naive at times. There is room for improvements on and off the pitch, but what else could we realistically have expected. As things stand, it looks like we are going to be fighting to survive and we may be in the mix down there until very late in the season, maybe even the last day. That should not be a surprise to anyone. But we are playing our football our way, which we as fans enjoy watching, and while the results havnt been there, it’s at least been easier on the eye than our most recent experiences in the premier league. We also have a load of new players who are still settling. Wes is the biggest concern, but to be fair to the guy, the only alternative to him is Davis, and he’s hardly a thoroughbred at this level (although I do think we should give him a chance in the next game). The other concern is Taylor, so hopefully Targett can stay fit, as he could be key. I don’t think we need to panic unless we start to get cut adrift by the time we get 15-20 games in. As it is, there is very little between the teams at the bottom of the table, and I regardless of points, I would only really be concerned at this stage if I was a Watford or Newcastle fan, as they for me have looked poor apart from the odd positive here and there. Edited September 29, 2019 by GeordieVillan 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 4 hours ago, villalad21 said: Seeing how bad Watford and Newcastle look i think 38 points will be enough this season. We're currently 2 pts off schedule. Doesn't look that much but keep in mind we've had fairly favorable opening fixtures. We've played 1 team currently in the bottom half, Everton. We haven't had a hard start, but it hasn't been an easy start either. The frustration is that we have got ourselves into good positions and blown it, and throwing away points comes back to haunt you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 36 minutes ago, andym said: We've played 1 team currently in the bottom half, Everton. We haven't had a hard start, but it hasn't been an easy start either. The frustration is that we have got ourselves into good positions and blown it, and throwing away points comes back to haunt you It's the Villa way. I have lost count of how many times we have crumbled from good positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 11th in the Form Table ..and still in the Cup..... onwards and upwards ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 31 minutes ago, KHV said: It's the Villa way. I have lost count of how many times we have crumbled from good positions. But.....if we hadn’t “ crumbled”....we’d be third !! Is that honestly remotely a realistic proposition ? If, instead of being in front and dropping points, we just dropped points, itd be the same outcome, but folk would be less worried, as overall the total isn’t far off. We aren’t dropping points because of a defect, we are dropping them because we aren’t as good overall, yet, as much of the opposition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 After 7 games the fact we are saying we should have won after the last 3 games surely is a positive for a newly promoted team. The way some of the fans talk about us definitely going down you’d think we’d been turned over every game. As for having an easy start to the season. As many have pointed out we have only played one team that is currently in the bottom half and we won that game. In terms of the current average position of opposition it’s only Norwich that have had a tougher start out of the teams in the bottom half. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: It wouldn't surprise me at all if we clicked and claimed a couple big scalps. Against teams which "play", we have alot of joy. We need that bit of luck with the opposition also having an off day. Everyone talks about how brilliant Norwich were but they were gifted a goal and City had an off day also missing a few sitters. Everything went for Norwich. I remember Wigan beating them the same way a couple of seasons ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 30, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2019 I know this sounds like a poor excuse but if you look back at the goals we have conceded we haven't half had some bad luck where our player has put in a block or tackle which has ricochet straight off the attacking player straight back into his path. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, sidcow said: I know this sounds like a poor excuse but if you look back at the goals we have conceded we haven't half had some bad luck where our player has put in a block or tackle which has ricochet straight off the attacking player straight back into his path. We’ve had s**t luck all season. But it’s clear the team are working their asses off every game. We should be on 6 points too. Hopefully the points will come in the next 2 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 With Saturday now out of the way it's a bit easier to take a look back on where we are. The result in itself, a draw against Burnley, really isn't the end of the world. They are an established PL side and for large parts of the game we were by far the better side. At this stage in the season performances are the key to looking at where the season could go. If you look at teams like Newcastle and Watford, both are showing no signs of picking up any sort of form. Norwich and Brighton both started brightly but have dipped and their performances are poor. In the mix then are Everton, Wolves, Southampton and Villa. Performance wise in large periods of games we have been the better team, it's the fine tuning that we now need apply to ensure that we don't let games slip. If the results don't come then panic may set in, but right now we are still adapting and it was never going to be any different. For all that people are complaining about Wesley not scoring, the goals are still flowing. It's the other end of the pitch where the mistakes are being made. I honestly think with another month behind us, we will start to turn the draws into wins and climb up the table. Despite what was said in the Summer, we were never going to push for Europe in our first season back. The Dean Smith Project is now only coming up to it's first year, we need at least another season to stabilize ourselves before we can begin to push on. Finishing 17th in the PL this season will allow us to reset and really push next season, and that should be our aim right now. There's no need to be getting ahead of ourselves and having meltdowns over not winning every single week. There's a bigger picture here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I think Newcastle losing so bad has soften the blow a little for Saturdays draw. I guess we have been playing kinda decent if in most games we are almost knocking on the door for 3 points which must be a positive. At the moment I think it's Newcastle and Watford who look like they may go down. We just have to endure were not occupying the third relegation spot. Personally think Wesley has been the weakest link in most games, he offers nothing, doesn't harass defenders, when we've gone a man up, it has made no difference because with Wesley's pedestrian style of play it's almost like we have 10 men. Think that also causes other midfielders to get tired, you see McGinn, Grealish sometimes running to the opposition GK, this should be Wesley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Pretty much all posts on here are relating to how wrong things are going for us at the moment, what Smith isn't doing, what he should be doing, which players need to dropped, or others that need to player more, who we should sign in January, will we be able to hang on to McGinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Watched the match again and one thing is clear, what we lack is what McGinn brings to the table. The determination, the urgency, the pace and acceleration, the directness. I don't know who we will sign the next windows, but those attributes are needed in spades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The midfield isn't the issue. If our defenders can't defend basic crosses we got no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 13 hours ago, terrytini said: But.....if we hadn’t “ crumbled”....we’d be third !! Is that honestly remotely a realistic proposition ? If, instead of being in front and dropping points, we just dropped points, itd be the same outcome, but folk would be less worried, as overall the total isn’t far off. We aren’t dropping points because of a defect, we are dropping them because we aren’t as good overall, yet, as much of the opposition. We have been dropping points from winning positions for years. This isn't something new. I have never known a club be so bad at holding a lead. We have been blowing leads for years and years. It's weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted September 30, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2019 I think we've got enough about us when we're playing well to stay up. I also think we've got a lot of room for improvement and the most pressing one or two issues in personnel will probably be addressed in Jan. I wouldn't be anywhere near as positive had we been playing shite and had a few more points. Sooner or later you get found out and as we've seen in the past you might get away with it for a couple of years, but it catches up with you and then when you go down you have a lot more work to do to turn it around. We on the other hand have shown a lot of good football and that we're capable of taking the game to anyone we've played. Yes the last 2 results have hurt, but we had to get in the lead to be in the position to lose it, I'd rather that than playing anti-football and fluking a point here and there getting battered every 90 minutes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: The midfield isn't the issue. If our defenders can't defend basic crosses we got no chance. Think nobody has said the midfield is the issue. We all know what our issue are. It isn't the CB's either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: After 7 games the fact we are saying we should have won after the last 3 games surely is a positive for a newly promoted team. The way some of the fans talk about us definitely going down you’d think we’d been turned over every game. As for having an easy start to the season. As many have pointed out we have only played one team that is currently in the bottom half and we won that game. In terms of the current average position of opposition it’s only Norwich that have had a tougher start out of the teams in the bottom half. We haven't played city Chelsea Liverpool or our bogeyside manure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Think nobody has said the midfield is the issue. We all know what our issue are. It isn't the CB's either. I disagree. Mings was direct at fault against Arsenal. Engels was part fault against Burnley, he even admitted it himself in the post match interview. And Heaton was at fault against Bournemouth. Don't try to scapegoat and put all blame on Taylor. It's embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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