The Fun Factory Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 If we actually had a proper defensive midfielder who can tackle and pass the ball, Mings and Konsa/Chambers/Hause would look a lot more solid. It one of the main reasons holding us back, not Mings. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 9 hours ago, kevpants said: That touch/clearance/pass in the box that led to the 3rd goal is emblematic of him. Does well to get out in front to the ball but his brain is so far from his feet he goes full baby giraffe and does that. How many more mistakes that lead to goals does Mings have to make before the penny drops ? It's criminal the amount of points we have lost due to his errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: How many more mistakes that lead to goals does Mings have to make before the penny drops ? It's criminal the amount of points we have lost due to his errors. Is it? How many points have we dropped this season due to his errors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: Is it? How many points have we dropped this season due to his errors? Too many for my liking. If he was a quality centre- half there wouldn't be debate about his future, on here and in the national media . Imo, he needs replacing for next season. Edited May 23, 2022 by sheepyvillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevpants Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: Is it? How many points have we dropped this season due to his errors? This is why it's important to watch football and not just read stats. I know his "errors leading to goals" stat isn't that bad. But it's not just that it's about momentum and confidence, the fact that we're all waiting for him to tread on the ball or fall over his feet means the players probably are too, and he's our captain. It's hard to measure but compare it how you feel seeing Thiago Silva or Van Dijk. Making it look easy is hard to quantify and it's not to be confused with Mings when he tries to make it look easy, and he just looks casual, then falls over himself. I like the guys attitude and personality but for instance I already trust Chambers more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 minute ago, kevpants said: This is why it's important to watch football and not just read stats. I know his "errors leading to goals" stat isn't that bad. But it's not just that it's about momentum and confidence, the fact that we're all waiting for him to tread on the ball or fall over his feet means the players probably are too, and he's our captain. It's hard to measure but compare it how you feel seeing Thiago Silva or Van Dijk. Making it look easy is hard to quantify and it's not to be confused with Mings when he tries to make it look easy, and he just looks casual, then falls over himself. I like the guys attitude and personality but for instance I already trust Chambers more. I haven’t felt nervous about Mings since Gerrard took over. He’s become much more consistent since then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevpants Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Aston_Villan4 said: I haven’t felt nervous about Mings since Gerrard took over. He’s become much more consistent since then. He trod on the ball against Liverpool for their equliser and ballsed up his touch for City's 3rd yesterday. He's outwardly and obviously flapping, just like he always has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, kevpants said: This is why it's important to watch football and not just read stats. I know his "errors leading to goals" stat isn't that bad. But it's not just that it's about momentum and confidence, the fact that we're all waiting for him to tread on the ball or fall over his feet means the players probably are too, and he's our captain. It's hard to measure but compare it how you feel seeing Thiago Silva or Van Dijk. Making it look easy is hard to quantify and it's not to be confused with Mings when he tries to make it look easy, and he just looks casual, then falls over himself. I like the guys attitude and personality but for instance I already trust Chambers more. I know that there is more to the game than stats but he is, IMO, our best defender at this moment and has improved with his "head in the clouds" moments since Gerrard came in. I think if you put someone more ball-playing alongside him he would improve further. Blaming him for the goals yesterday and against Liverpool is just madness IMO. There are other factors and other players involved in both of those goals you mentioned in the other post. Edited May 23, 2022 by sparrow1988 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 minute ago, kevpants said: He trod on the ball against Liverpool for their equliser and ballsed up his touch for City's 3rd yesterday. He's outwardly and obviously flapping, just like he always has. Well that’s just harsh to put the blame on him for both of those goals. Liverpool was a mistake by him but it wasn’t directly responsible for the goal. Nor was the Man City clearance attempt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Too many for my liking. If he was a quality centre- half there wouldn't be debate about his future, on here and in the national media . Imo, he needs replacing for next season. 1 error leading to goal according to the PL this season. What would you like from your centre half? 0 ideally but being realistic it's not bad and improving on him, I mean guaranteed improvement, will cost about 40 million. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, kevpants said: ballsed up his touch for City's 3rd yesterday. I mean come on He's intercepted the ball, and if Luiz is awake, it goes straight to him. Mings does literally nothing wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Just now, StefanAVFC said: I mean come on He's intercepted the ball, and if Luiz is awake, it goes straight to him. Mings does literally nothing wrong. 100000% a proper DM reacts quicker there. Someone of that Kamara's ilk from Marseille would be a great option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) I think Luis would have expected better from Mings there. I thought Mings was great in that game, but that touch by Mings is neither a pass or a clearance, and it's a shame. I wish he'd just leathered it! That's not on Luis—at worst maybe a bit of fatigue from the both of them. Edited May 23, 2022 by Rolta 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Just now, Rolta said: I think Luis would have expected better from Mings there. I thought Mings was great in that game, but that touch by Mings is neither a pass or a clearance, and it's a shame. I wish he'd just leathered it! I don't think he can in the risk of the city player stepping across him and drawing a foul if he takes a big swing at it, he hasn't got the space Mings could do slightly better but I don't think that necessarily appreciates the good play by city, its a good run and a good pass which mings has done well to cut out, I think that move actually beats a lot of CBs, it's a run in behind him but he sees it and his position and body shape is good, that's not easy to do, the starting position of the striker doesn't turn him around which would have put him in a lot of trouble Luiz simply has to do better Same as what I posted vs liverpool though, it's not a "mistake" you can comment if you think it's good or bad defending but it's not a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, sparrow1988 said: Is it? How many points have we dropped this season due to his errors? He just doesn't fill me with confidence in the way a Melberg or Laursen did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, Rolta said: I think Luis would have expected better from Mings there. I thought Mings was great in that game, but that touch by Mings is neither a pass or a clearance, and it's a shame. I wish he'd just leathered it! That's not on Luis—at worst maybe a bit of fatigue from the both of them. Leathered it where? You don't relieve pressure by punting it out of bounds. There was still 15 minutes to go. You relieve pressure by possessing the ball. Make Man City chase you for a chnage. I think it was a pass but Luiz was, probably due to fatigue, not on his toes to receive it. Put better midfield options in front of our backline and they will look twice as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSvillain Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: If we actually had a proper defensive midfielder who can tackle and pass the ball, Mings and Konsa/Chambers/Hause would look a lot more solid. It one of the main reasons holding us back, not Mings. Absolutely this, also a CB alongside side him who is willing to share the load with regards to ball progression 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: He just doesn't fill me with confidence in the way a Melberg or Laursen did. That is true but that is a high bar but probably one we need to be heading towards. I'd be more inclined to put a ball playing defender beside him and let him concentrate on just defending as his ball playing abilities aren't all that anyway. As I mentioned above I think that he has improved a lot since Gerrard came in. He seems a lot more tuned in. He is one of the last I'd be looking to replace at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 One thing about that goal is Luiz was cutting most of those passes out interesting to know how Mings reacted to that privately. Luiz could have covered him better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 51 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I don't think he can in the risk of the city player stepping across him and drawing a foul if he takes a big swing at it, he hasn't got the space Mings could do slightly better but I don't think that necessarily appreciates the good play by city, its a good run and a good pass which mings has done well to cut out, I think that move actually beats a lot of CBs, it's a run in behind him but he sees it and his position and body shape is good, that's not easy to do, the starting position of the striker doesn't turn him around which would have put him in a lot of trouble Luiz simply has to do better Same as what I posted vs liverpool though, it's not a "mistake" you can comment if you think it's good or bad defending but it's not a mistake People seem to be waiting to jump on him and blame him for anything and everything. I’d agree a good DM is all over that 3rd goal yesterday. We also need to remember we were playing against a squad costing a billion quid that have won the league 4 times out of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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