bobzy Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, AntrimBlack said: Well, it seems a daft rule, but rules are rules. Don't get me wrong, I am well pissed off that we did not hold on for a draw at least, even though they were the better side. But you just have to accept it if it is in accordance with the rules, no matter how daft. What’s the rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, AntrimBlack said: Well, it seems a daft rule, but rules are rules. Don't get me wrong, I am well pissed off that we did not hold on for a draw at least, even though they were the better side. But you just have to accept it if it is in accordance with the rules, no matter how daft. Rules: Offside offence A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball or A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. Highlighted the part that they neglected to consult. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, AVTuco said: It's not correct. You cannot gain advantage by being offside, which is exactly what happened here. Mings played him onside. It is a Mings error. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, AntrimBlack said: Mings played him onside. It is a Mings error. He didn’t. It isn’t. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Indigo Posted January 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: I'm hearing a lot of this. And it's true that, at times, Mings can overplay. But lets look at this again, shall we? The ball is headed forward, the offside player is nowhere near Mings Mings, knowing there is no immediate threat from an onside player, chests the ball so we can play out Before the ball hits the ground, the offside player tackles him I'm struggling to see at what point in that turn of events Mings did anything wrong. And if the suggestion is that "he should have just hoofed it" then you need to look again at how we play our football. If he hoofed it he'd be labelled an "oaf", takes it down and despite the offside apparently is arrogant/"thinks he's better than he is". Can't win. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I get Mings makes mistakes now and then but how the rest of his performance today can be totally ignored because he got tackled by a player that is offside amazes me. I'm not ignoring his overall performance at all mate, BUT, that wasn't actually his first clanger of the game. YES, he was brilliant for most of it, but he is also capable of some VERY crucial errors in the most dangerous areas. The same way we defended brilliantly for most the game, but switched off twice, and lost the match, In the end, that is all it takes. Edited January 20, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted January 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2021 I refuse to acknowledge that this was a mistake by Mings. He brings the ball down not expecting to be challenged by an offside player. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: Mings played him onside. It is a Mings error. How can you play a player onside when they are 10 yards offside. FWIW the header from the City player was aimed for the offside player so he was already interfering with play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, tomav84 said: apparently. genuinely cannot think of a single howler from mings that has led to a goal. and no, i'm not rewatching highlights from every game this season. agree to disagree here. This is the first one of the season. At least it will be attributed to Mings but we all know who to blame. Deano knew as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 He was so good today, he deserved a clean sheet. He totally expected not to be tackled by an offside player and yes he he should have just headed it but 99% of the other teams in the league would have already been losing by that point as our defence was magnificent up to then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rino8 Posted January 20, 2021 Visiting Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2021 So if a player pushed up to create an offside trap successfully but the offside wasn't given due to referee error, is the player at fault? Are we now judging players based on their anticipation of how the rules might be made up? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I'm not ignoring his overall performance at all mate, BUT, that wasn't actually his first clanger of the game. YES, he was brilliant for most of it, but he is also capable of some VERY crucial errors in the most dangerous areas. The same way we defended brilliantly for most the game, but switched off twice, and lost the match, In the end, that is all it takes. I think the one that was nearly an own goal was a little unlucky too l (well lucky it didn’t go in but unlucky how it sliced off him) . I thought overall he was brilliant today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I think it was quite clearly a mistake regardless of whether you believe the player is offside or not (the rules seem suitably vague to allow both interpretations). Someone made a good comparison that it was akin to someone not tracking an offside runner by believing he was clearly offside, you play to the whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Rino8 said: So if a player pushed up to create an offside trap successfully but the offside wasn't given due to referee error, is the player at fault? Are we now judging players based on their anticipation of how the rules might be made up? The explanation at the end was complete bollocks. They know they have **** up. It’s a complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Great game from Tyrone. One awful decision. He should've booted it. He needs to cut that out but a farcical decision. Otherwise an incredible game from him and all of the defence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, penguin said: I think it was quite clearly a mistake regardless of whether you believe the player is offside or not (the rules seem suitably vague to allow both interpretations). Someone made a good comparison that it was akin to someone not tracking an offside runner by believing he was clearly offside, you play to the whistle. It was a mistake. But he’s offside! It’s heartbreaking ain’t it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, penguin said: I think it was quite clearly a mistake regardless of whether you believe the player is offside or not (the rules seem suitably vague to allow both interpretations). Someone made a good comparison that it was akin to someone not tracking an offside runner by believing he was clearly offside, you play to the whistle. How is it a mistake? If he isn’t challenged by the offside player he controls the ball and sets up Villa for an attack. No mistake was made, challenged by offside player is not a mistake. Edited January 20, 2021 by Tommo_b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Sigh. Shafted by the ref but just **** clear it please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 It is not a mistake. The last man (Mings in this case) takes the ball calmly down on his chest and turns back towards goal. An offside players runs in and tackles him before he's even managed to get the ball on the floor. It's either offside, or the offside rule is completely and utterly broken. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think the one that was nearly an own goal was a little unlucky too l (well lucky it didn’t go in but unlucky how it sliced off him) . I thought overall he was brilliant today. And the mis pass to Konsa. Maybe i'm being harsh, On watching replays you can see he was totally blindsided by the player running from behind him. So i guess it was more unfortunate than anything. Mental how their wasn;t a VAR check at all. Sometimes this whole "game " feels rigged like politics. Edited January 20, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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