Eastie Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, AndyM3000 said: He signed a new contract 3 weeks ago, he's not getting sacked. That team today lacked any real leaders, we missed Mings for sure. Hause is starting and he's a 3m squad player, Id be worried if he started for us in the Championship let alone the Premier League. Personally I think Trez/El Ghazi are very average at this level, it's caused most our play to be through Grealish/CM and anyone can defend narrow against us. This is making Wesley look even worse, he's not involved and we don't stretch the defence to create space. Go buy another winger and a forward, get Jack back in CM. Regardless of his new contract if the owners see fit then I’m sure they would be more likely to pay him off than take the huge financial hit of relegation . Leicester were ruthless in sacking ranieri months after winning the title - there is no sentiment in football . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: Yep as mad as the Lambert extension way back. You just don't do that mid season Especially when hovering above the RZ. But the guys who made that decision will be choosing our next manager. !!! ...that's why I hope DS comes good !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digavilla Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, AV82 said: After Nakamba's mistake for the goal not one player put their arm around him to lift his chin. Not one of them. Where is the leadership? Where is the drive to pick up your team mates and get on with the game? We are utterly void of anything resembling team-spirit and that's before I mention players not knowing who to mark, gesturing and shouting at one another with puzzled faces. Shape up Smith, this is shit. Yes agreed . Always felt that this a disjointed team. Alway witnessed many teams gathered, all players arms on each other shoulders in full circle before kickoff, but not once have I seen Villa players do that. It’s like there’s 2 or 3 sub unit in our team match day that & clearly reflect the way we play. Really hope Smith sort this out soon ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, hippo said: What might save him is I don't think our owners will relish a mid season manager hunt..... How do you know they have not already been hunting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Just now, Eastie said: Regardless of his new contract if the owners see fit then I’m sure they would be more likely to pay him off than take the huge financial hit of relegation . Leicester were ruthless in sacking ranieri months after winning the title - there is no sentiment in football . I think there is sentiment at avfc - new contract when just above the RZ ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Smith is under real pressure now. I like him and want him to succeed but we are going backwards. His Plan A is not working and I am rapidly coming to the conclusion he has no Plan B. He made his tactical substitutions much too late today. In the last 15 minutes of the game we put them under real pressure once those changes had been made so why not earlier? I don't want to see him sacked but unless we improve very quickly he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Smith's contract will have no bearing on whether we sack him or not, the money we'd have to pay him in compensation would be dwarfed by the money we'd lose by dropping out of the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Just now, foreveryoung said: How do you know they have not already been hunting? I don't I didn't know they were hunting Wesley either ! - some poor decisions at top level - you think they have a gem of a manager lined up .....I really wouldn't hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 No plan b, no flexibility with plan a, never ever tries to stop the opposition with a tweak to our formation. Opposition know how to play us. Sorry Dean, we need more than I believe you can give us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) Yeah, contract was unusual, but we are unsure how much that contract is worth and what clauses are in it. He came from Brentford earning 120k a year, I doubt it's gonna cost millions to cancel. An it may be based on keeping us up. Edited December 21, 2019 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: How do you know they have not already been hunting? If we really are a well run club then we should be constantly looking at potential managers. It would be neglect not to. Managers are humans and so subject to irrational decisions, Klopp could suddenly decide he wants to manage Watford or simply step under a bus. I bet Liverpool have a contingency plan even if it isn’t at the forefront of their current thinking. We should always have a back up plan or two, regardless of the manager’s situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I’m certainly not calling for Smith to be sacked but I don’t think the new contract is a negative. This gives some certainty to the players in a tricky period. Also, Purslow et al, aren’t stupid. There may well be a clause that compensation is limited if sacked when in bottom 3 etc. We had a tricky spell this time last year and Smith came out of it with flying colours. Obviously another level of difficulty now but sacking Smith isn’t the answer. This can still be turned around quickly with the upcoming fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Elton said: I’m certainly not calling for Smith to be sacked but I don’t think the new contract is a negative. This gives some certainty to the players in a tricky period. Also, Purslow et al, aren’t stupid. There may well be a clause that compensation is limited if sacked when in bottom 3 etc. We had a tricky spell this time last year and Smith came out of it with flying colours. Obviously another level of difficulty now but sacking Smith isn’t the answer. This can still be turned around quickly with the upcoming fixtures. Norwich , Watford and burnley in the next 10 days should give us a good idea of whether we can turn it around under smith - I’m not too confident it will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Elton said: I’m certainly not calling for Smith to be sacked but I don’t think the new contract is a negative. This gives some certainty to the players in a tricky period. Also, Purslow et al, aren’t stupid. There may well be a clause that compensation is limited if sacked when in bottom 3 etc. We had a tricky spell this time last year and Smith came out of it with flying colours. Obviously another level of difficulty now but sacking Smith isn’t the answer. This can still be turned around quickly with the upcoming fixtures. He came out of it with flying colours yes but it coincided with Grealish returning. No escaping that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr_Pangloss Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 The football is shit. Smith is known for high intensity and high press, we demonstrate none of that, it's clear that's not even been coached into the side. Defensively we're a mess, especially from set pieces and there's been no adjustments as we are conceding the same sort of goals from those situations. He also has no plan B, let alone a plan C, which is really required at this level these days, if you have one way of setting a side up and one way of playing you're going to get found out and you won't last long. I love Smith as a person, love what he did last season, but if I think with my head rather than my heart I just see a manager who is not really up to it at this level. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, villalad21 said: Interested in @TRO assessment after this horror show If you look carefully at Southampton and what their players were doing, closing us down at every opportunity and denying us room to play...they roamed in packs, not individual raids like ours, that resulted in the main as token gestures, going through the motions. In contrast when they had the ball they had open spaces to play in. That scenario is simply not good enough.....If we carry on being as benevolent as we are , we will surely go down We can't defend with any competency We can claim formations not right and injured players have inhibited us, or playing the wrong players.....but this is something deeper and its been with us for some time. Pretty football can turn in to ugly football if its unchecked and substance not added, tackling and pressing.....that's where we are at. The discipline has gone and the concentration with it......we have too many players simply not good enough. I don't know where Dean goes with this, but I fear the January Window will not suffice, even if I could be sure we would sign the right players. Edited December 21, 2019 by TRO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoNnErS Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Eastie said: We had a tricky spell this time last year and Smith came out of it with flying colours Smith was clueless when Grealish was injured, won 2 out of 15 and was in bottom half of Championship! Jack comes back, we win 10 in a row and it’s all Dean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I despair at our fans sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Johnnyp said: He came out of it with flying colours yes but it coincided with Grealish returning. No escaping that. I know, I’d just rather save the doom and gloom until January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, av1 said: I despair at our fans sometimes. Its pretty bad. Can understand anger after a loss but the rewriting of Smith time here is childish This time last season we were hosting the likea of Bolton amd QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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