Popular Post Zatman Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 15 hours ago, villalad21 said: OGS is a great example of a man learning from his mistakes from Cardiff where he tried to change too much when he arrived. It looks like this time he made much smaller changes, but the big things is he adapted to the players he had available and plays to their strengths. That's exactly what i want from DS. It's ok to try play the Brentford way after a Transfer window and pre season, but right now he have to adapt to the players, not the other way around. DS made too many changes when he arrived, it only adds confusion. Why is he telling the likes of Chester and Elphick playing short passes in their own half? It's not their game, they are not ball playing defenders. OGS took over a team with the best goalkeeper in last 5 years, a few World Cup and Premier League winners Smith took over a team with Nyland, Jedinak and Whelan playing regularly Possible the worst comparison I have seen here 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villalad21 Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, AndyM3000 said: OGS is there until the summer and Dean Smith is planning for the future. The point is he need to find a way to win football games without Grealish and Axel. That's what good managers do, they find solutions, find a different way to win football games. And right now Smith looks out of ideas. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, villalad21 said: The point is he need to find a way to win football games without Grealish and Axel. That's what good managers do, they find solutions, find a different way to win football games. And right now Smith looks out of ideas. But you said he made too many changes when he arrived—but we were good and looked good when he arrived for a long while. So he therefore didn't make too many changes. Then we got those injuries—it's true he hasn't been able to adapt to their absence. He hasn't got much to work with though. I can't believe he hasn't been able to magic up some decent players out of thin air. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, TB said: If Smith doesn't work out I hope that he'll be replaced with Smith 2.0, whoever that might be Thomas Frank then? Edited February 24, 2019 by briny_ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Zatman said: OGS took over a team with the best goalkeeper in last 5 years, a few World Cup and Premier League winners Smith took over a team with Nyland, Jedinak and Whelan playing regularly Possible the worst comparison I have seen here Yet it continues to be used ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, AndyM3000 said: OGS is there until the summer and Dean Smith is planning for the future. You don't get a head coach with his own football style in and then tell him to go away from his methods. You adapt to the managers style or you will be shown the door. OGS is working with the original coaches who worked with Fergie. You'll probably find they are coaching the players, while OGS is over seeing the team as the figure head. Smith has come without his coaches, which is a little worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 First half hour last week, Second Half this week, last Fifteen minutes against United......in each of these periods we played far better football than in the past. Smith has rebuilt the defence. Yesterday without Jack, McGinn, Axel, And Chester, we looked ok. Sometimes in the last couple of months we’ve looked as poor as under Bruce. I think the question is are there enough signs that under Smith things will improve, then secondly will they improve enough. Ive seen enough to be 100% certain there is no more risk letting Smith have preseason than getting someone as yet unknown. Ive seen enough to be mildly confident he will improve us. Ive no idea whether they will improve enough. Taking all that into consideration I can’t see any justification for giving him the boot, and I suspect results in the coming weeks will bear that out and remove it from discussion, thankfully. For this season my goal is to enjoy the games and look, wherever I can, for positive signs, and to look forward to seeing what Smith brings us next season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KentVillan Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 We've jumped the shark here with this OGS nonsense. Solskjaer has come into a club where the previous manager has fallen out with several key players, including the 5th most expensive player in the world. He's done a good job, but half of that has just been saying to Paul Pogba "we love you, do what you want". He's also only had, what... 15 games in charge? Remember when John Gregory had Villa top of the Premier League at Christmas? It always amazes me how people can watch football for YEARS, and still never work out how misleading short-term results can be. Anyone who thinks that DS could have come into the Villa squad and just put an arm around a few players is completely deluded. Bruce was popular with the players! Team spirit wasn't the problem! Our issues are much deeper, and relate to recruitment, tactical coherence, lack of talent in key positions, outdated structures in the wider club setup, and decades of poor club management. There's no way anyone could have come into this Villa setup and done an OGS turnaround - the foundations weren't there. 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 3 hours ago, villalad21 said: The point is he need to find a way to win football games without Grealish and Axel. That's what good managers do, they find solutions, find a different way to win football games. And right now Smith looks out of ideas. He came up with a new idea yesterday and according to those who saw it we deserved to win and Butland pulled off a couple of wonder saves 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) I like Dean Smith but when he says "we can certainly take a lot of positives from the performance" then he is wrong. We drew at Stoke with three shots on target. It maybe arrogant of me but I rather think Aston Villa should be better than that. He should be taking away a lot of negatives and areas he needs to improve. Edited February 24, 2019 by ciggiesnbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Hope Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Forest scored 5 goals from 5 shots on target so your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: I like Dean Smith but when he says "we can certainly take a lot of positives from the performance" then he is wrong. We drew at Stoke with three shots on target. It maybe arrogant of me but I rather think Aston Villa should be better than that. He should be taking away a lot of negatives and areas he needs to improve. it is quite arrogant. We might be a more high profile name but we havent finished above Stoke in the football pyramid since 2010/11 and spent 40 million in the season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 34 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: I like Dean Smith but when he says "we can certainly take a lot of positives from the performance" then he is wrong. We drew at Stoke with three shots on target. It maybe arrogant of me but I rather think Aston Villa should be better than that. He should be taking away a lot of negatives and areas he needs to improve. I kind of agree with this but what he says in public and what he actually thinks are not necessarily the same thing. I do believe though that a lot of our problems are the basic acceptance of our position. We should be aiming very high and have the balls to say it. If you reach for the stars, you will fall short, but nearly reaching the stars is much better than nearly reaching the play offs. Think big, aim big and see where it takes you. We are only limited by our thoughts and dreams. We are way too guilty of being too scared to think big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddytheVillan Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 It feels like every summer is an 'overhaul' summer. But the truth is, we are going to have to keep some of the mediocre players. We'll lose Tammy, El Ghazi and Tuanzebe, as well as Grealish and possibly McGinn. We'll clearly rid ourselves of some of the ageing high earners (Whelan, Jedinak, Hutton etc) as well as the likes of Richards and McCormack. My question is, aside from Grealish and McGinn, who do we really want to keep who is currently a Villa player not on loan? I'd say Green, Chester, Kodjia, maybe Hourihane and Bjarnason. But there's not many. My point is: we might not have a tonne of money with FFP this summer, and we'll probably lose our five best performers this season. Smith needs to find a way to make it work with some of the current players. We can't sign an entirely new squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnock1984 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Having just watched the highlights from stoke, I’m confident that he will get this to work - just needs his own players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 7 hours ago, briny_ear said: Terry Franks then? I know there are umpteen managers I know nothing about, and whose name I have never heard mentioned. This is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, nnock1984 said: Having just watched the highlights from stoke, I’m confident that he will get this to work - just needs his own players You could say this about any manager who can't get his team winning, "ooh he just needs his own players". Well good luck in getting the players in, cause we can't spend much and the only way of getting out this league is to build close to a Premiership squad, or live in this league for 3-4 maybe 5 seasons and build each season.. Smith clearly being a Championship coach is not helping either so we'll be needing a whole lotta luck too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Interesting quote from Elphick, "if we all realised aston villa being in the top 6 would be beneficial to everyone, we will start winning games" Shows what Smith is having to deal with, this is a complete rebuild job. Pointless judging him so harshly on a group that won't be here next season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Just now, DCJonah said: Interesting quote from Elphick, "if we all realised aston villa being in the top 6 would be beneficial to everyone, we will start winning games" Shows what Smith is having to deal with, this is a complete rebuild job. Pointless judging him so harshly on a group that won't be here next season. What does he mean by that? Is he talking about himself there too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 48 minutes ago, TB said: I know there are umpteen managers I know nothing about, and whose name I have never heard mentioned. This is one of them. Ah, looks like the predictive text took over big time there - I thought I had typed in Thomas Frank, new head coach at Brentford. Hence Dean Smith 2.0. But things went seriously haywire. No idea who Terry Franks is, either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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