Newry_Villan Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Delighted for him. Hope he does well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Zatman said: Moyes failed in about 5 jobs for 7 years. He got lucky West Ham risked bringing him back He also got unlucky that Gold and Sullivan got horny for Pellegrini. He took over in his first stint and was building the club up to way he would have liked it, then they saw a fancy manager and appointed him, realised they made a mess of it and reappointed him. Anyway I hope that Smith does well. Edited November 14, 2021 by sparrow1988 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, nick76 said: but the point is still valid because if I say Graham Taylor went on to manage England after Villa, you'll say look at how that turned out eventually so it depends what point in their career post Villa you are talking about. I think Moyes is a tremendous manager and was on a hiding to nothing replacing Ferguson at Man U and it knocked him back a bit but doing tremendously well now at West Ham but we know football and that could so quickly change and 12 months down the line he could be sacked for whatever. We've see it happen so many times even dramatically like Ranieri who after winning the title, just over six months later, was sacked. Your original point though is still valid that managers at Villa rarely go onto bigger things but to be honest there are only about 10 clubs jobs bigger than Villa in Europe (the rest are arguably sideways steps or mostly backward steps). Yes Taylor's ambition was always to be England manager and he was never the same after that failed. Just remember someone saying that its one of the hardest jobs in football because the expectations of the fans are far higher than what the reality is. Managers were generally burnt out after the villa job. i dont think this will be the case with Smith though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Smith no longer has to create a relegation side, he now has a ready made one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 I feel like Dean has let us down this season, we should have kicked on and improved. Five losses on the spin is terrible and the regression in our football was appalling. Expected a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: No. Because he couldn’t fit them all onto the pitch at the same time anyway. Even if he could, our central midfield area is too weak for us to push for anything near Europe. So many people are looking for answers to our form that don’t exist. We didn’t address the areas that badly needed addressing in the Summer. On top of that, we lost our best player. It’s really that simple. IMO, Smith never had a chance. If Smith never had a chance and didn't have the ability to convince the club that we needed to address certain positions in the team, he was Head Coach! then why on earth did people want to keep Smith and give him more time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 4 hours ago, nick76 said: . . . to be honest there are only about 10 clubs jobs bigger than Villa in Europe . . . You can't be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 41 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: You can't be serious. Yes there only about 10 or so clubs bigger than us in Europe, the rest would arguably be equivalent or less. How big the PL is in terms of money and attraction it’s hard for others to compete for resources and such so you’d only have Barca, R Madrid, Ath Madrid, Bayern, PSG, some Italian teams and then it’s only PL teams. Obviously have other metrics where we’d be further down the list or whatever but with spending power and PL attractiveness aside from the elite the rest are about the same as us or worse shown by our spend the last few years which most couldn’t match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Good to see he’s got a new job so quickly. Good Luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tayls Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, nick76 said: Yes there only about 10 or so clubs bigger than us in Europe, the rest would arguably be equivalent or less. How big the PL is in terms of money and attraction it’s hard for others to compete for resources and such so you’d only have Barca, R Madrid, Ath Madrid, Bayern, PSG, some Italian teams and then it’s only PL teams. Obviously have other metrics where we’d be further down the list or whatever but with spending power and PL attractiveness aside from the elite the rest are about the same as us or worse shown by our spend the last few years which most couldn’t match. Way off. England: Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal, Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (unfortunately, now). France: PSG, Lyon, Marseille Germany: Bayern Munich, Dortmund, RB Leipzig Netherlands: Ajax Spain: Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Barcelona, Sevilla, Portugal: Porto, Benfica Italy: Juventus, Inter Milan, AC Milan, Napoli, Roma, Atalanta Thats 28 there for starters that I can think off at the top of my head. I don’t think we are that big of a pull, yet! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted November 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jas10 said: So bad it could have been made by various posters on here! 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Xela said: So bad it could have been made by various posters on here! Why are there so many dumbasses out there? Villa Watch? You need to watch yourself mate Edited November 14, 2021 by Jas10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Let’s give Dean the biggest ovation ever when he returns to VP, so much so that he’s in floods of tears and unable to manage the team and we can go on and thrash Norwich 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, Tayls said: Way off. England: Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal, Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle (unfortunately, now). France: PSG, Lyon, Marseille Germany: Bayern Munich, Dortmund, RB Leipzig Netherlands: Ajax Spain: Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Barcelona, Sevilla, Portugal: Porto, Benfica Italy: Juventus, Inter Milan, AC Milan, Napoli, Roma, Atalanta Thats 28 there for starters that I can think off at the top of my head. I don’t think we are that big of a pull, yet! Not a chance mate! A lot of those are level with us or less. The amount of pull the PL has and money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Sounds like some posters on here in the Grealish thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 minute ago, nick76 said: Not a chance mate! A lot of those are level with us or less. The amount of pull the PL has and money. I think your claret and blue specs are the most tinted I've ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, nick76 said: Not a chance mate! A lot of those are level with us or less. The amount of pull the PL has and money. Football fans are mental man I love Villa as much as anyone but were aren't bigger or even close to most of those teams listed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 On the subject of Smith though, dont really know what to expect from him at Norwich, he had a lot of money and did a good job overall here but theres definite question marks over some big chunks of his time here. Really hope Gerrard isnt a disaster and we dont swap places with Norwich leaving Smith looking smug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Just now, Stevo985 said: I think your claret and blue specs are the most tinted I've ever seen Maybe but financially a lot of people under value the size and money in the PL compared to other European leagues and while some of those others have big historic names they struggle financially with the teams in the PL. it’s just the way it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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