TRO Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Quality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 After the Chelsea 1 - 1 last season Dean Smith said it takes about 3/4 seasons to mould a squad where you want it. If you excuse the first season where it was buy as many as you can, then he has another couple of seasons of moulding the squad to how he wants it. He also said that we're about 18 months away of being able to keep ol'shin splints. The transfer clause was "if Villa are not in the Champions League"..... I think selling him has probably put us back by about 12 months before challenging for a CL spot. Attack sorted, Defence sorted, GK sorted. He'll sort the midfield next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioTom Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Yeah. Too bad the damage was already done by then. At that point we were already 3-0 down I'm talking about being more pro active. Anticipating your team losing the control of a game and changing/correcting it quickly before the inevitable happens. No we weren’t, two of the subs happened at 2-0 down. He also changed the shape which improved our performance after the second goal went in. Unfortunately, a number of players were unprepared for the start of the season due to a lot of mitigating circumstances. Mystic Meg has some competition with you, clearly you can see things before anyone else. Can I have the lottery numbers for Tuesday’s Euromillions please. Dean Smith continues to improve each year. You don’t know anywhere near as much as you think you do. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, RadioTom said: No we weren’t, two of the subs happened at 2-0 down. He also changed the shape which improved our performance after the second goal went in. Unfortunately, a number of players were unprepared for the start of the season due to a lot of mitigating circumstances. Mystic Meg has some competition with you, clearly you can see things before anyone else. Can I have the lottery numbers for Tuesday’s Euromillions please. Dean Smith continues to improve each year. You don’t know anywhere near as much as you think you do. You said it yourself "after" we were 2-0 down. That's being reactive. At that point it was all too little too late. I saw Ralph today making a tactical change after half time when being 1-0 up. He obviously realized they struggled with defensive set pieces against Man Utds height and power. He brought a tall and strong player on to try and combat that. Possibly saved them a point. It's little tweaks like that can be the difference between a loss, draw and a win. But you have to be able to read the game and have enough guts and tactical nouse to make those those changes early. Would Smith ever make an early change for tactical reasons unless we were a goal or 2 down or an injury happened? Never in a million years. Edited August 22, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark Albrighton Posted August 22, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 hour ago, TRO said: so far, I haven't seen anyone who has said they want him out, but the defence of his tenure goes on....even reitterating to the converted that he should carry on..... This mountain has turned from the mole hill about midfield and blown in to a false narrative. Do you mean throughout his tenure here? Or do you mean you haven’t seen anyone saying he should go following the Watford result? Because if it’s the former I can assure you there have been people openly stating he should have been sacked. The bad spell in the last third being a recent example. And not just in the match threads where people call for his head and then it’s shrugged off as heat of the moment. People have been posting in here, stating he should be removed. I can offer examples if need be. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khizzy Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 46 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: It's the profile pic mate... I thought it was Nick Hancock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 56 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Possibly saved them a point Or lost them two points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I don’t think Smith is out of criticism, as much as we love him he has his own mistakes. Those mistakes he himself fixes it. But usually too late. He waited 6-8 games to realize that Barkley is losing us a lot of points. He then took him off. Against Watford he reacted quickly, but usually his late subs costs us some games. It’s not only about quality, as some of his favorite players are on the bench sometimes. But you can feel that he usually keeps faith on those who are in the pitch when it’s clearly looking as a waste of time. Even Klopp and Pep aren’t out of criticism, and Pep especially costed his teams a lot of times, lately the CL final. It’s as Bruce for example who’s whole management is a mistake itself. Smith is learning too so that’s fine. It’s not us that understand a lot, but some basic things which are clear for anyone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post andym Posted August 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2021 51 minutes ago, villalad21 said: You said it yourself "after" we were 2-0 down. That's being reactive. At that point it was all too little too late. I saw Ralph today making a tactical change after half time when being 1-0 up. He obviously realized they struggled with defensive set pieces against Man Utds height and power. He brought a tall and strong player on to try and combat that. Possibly saved them a point. It's little tweaks like that can be the difference between a loss, draw and a win. But you have to be able to read the game and have enough guts and tactical nouse to make those those changes early. Would Smith ever make an early change for tactical reasons unless we were a goal or 2 down or an injury happened? Never in a million years. Man Utd equalised within 10 minutes of making that change, with noted big targetman Mason Greenwood scoring. Also Southampton dropped the 3rd most points from a winning position last season. So much for Hassenhuttl's tactical nous. And can you guess who dropped the most? Brighton, managed by your boy Potter. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: You said it yourself "after" we were 2-0 down. That's being reactive. At that point it was all too little too late. I saw Ralph today making a tactical change after half time when being 1-0 up. He obviously realized they struggled with defensive set pieces against Man Utds height and power. He brought a tall and strong player on to try and combat that. Possibly saved them a point. It's little tweaks like that can be the difference between a loss, draw and a win. But you have to be able to read the game and have enough guts and tactical nouse to make those those changes early. Would Smith ever make an early change for tactical reasons unless we were a goal or 2 down or an injury happened? Never in a million years. After half - time isn't an early substitution . You actually think someone like Smith who possesses an analytical mind doesn't know how to read a football match? How ridiculous. He's outsmarted many a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: After half - time isn't an early substitution . You actually think someone like Smith who possesses an analytical mind doesn't know how to read a football match? How ridiculous. He's outsmarted many a manager. including the last 2 games vs his boyos Bielsa and Hassnhuttl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: including the last 2 games vs his boyos Bielsa and Hassnhuttl Don't forget about Klopp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 The mere suggestion that Hassenhuttl is better or has more tactical nous than Dean is, at the very least, annoying… Southampton lost 9 nil in consecutive seasons FFS. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jas10 Posted August 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) No one has ever said Dean is perfect or faultless but he is by far the best manager we have had in decades… there’s not even any disputing that… I believe he has grown with the club and is continuing to do so… they’re a great match for each other imo… He has never suggested that he is perfect either and actually has some humbleness and class about him… he openly admits that he is learning and progressing… how many other managers take that stance? I mostly see giant egos and they act like petulant children at times… Those who back Dean appreciate the work he has done and how he has basically transformed us from a dour, dull, hoofball, basically shite team to an entertaining and exciting one… Dean brought attacking football back to our club! He got us promoted and has established us in the PL! Previous managers failed miserably… he was the one to take us out of the doldrums and to restore pride to our club… that is a huge accomplishment… He’s one of the few managers who carries himself well and has some decency and integrity about him… he is likeable and clearly loves the club too… he doesn’t have a huge ego such as some of our previous managers (don’t think I’ll ever forget Bruce’s classic line of “who are you going to get that is better?”). Dean has been a massive part of our “resurrection” or revival as a club. Why wouldn’t or shouldn’t we back or support him? Even after the odd poor performance or result? Is that not allowed? Why should we not tolerate that? What warrants us acting all high and mighty and why have we become so demanding??? And why does that warrant turning on the guy? Constructive criticism is fine, such as “we need to sort the midfield out” etc. but it’s so often followed with some kind of intimation that Dean should or will eventually be sacked or that the job is too big for him (hang on, he brought us to where we are now. The job wasn’t beyond him or other managers when he came in and we were struggling to get out of the bleeding Championship). He’s made the job “big” because he’s elevated us and taken us to higher levels, every season that he has been here! So if it’s such a “big job”… wouldn’t that mean he’s a “top manager” then? Why shouldn’t he get credit and support? He deserves infinitely more than many of his predecessors… what a shower of shite they were… Fans really are fickle… we cry and cry about stability but then moan and get hysterical when we actually have it and should be displaying some patience and understanding… especially when things have been going so well!!! FFS Honestly, I am sick to death of the pathetic state of some of our so called fans (not exclusive to here, although there is at least one member who consistently writes “Smith out” in the match and ratings threads when we don’t win a game. Twitter is way worse. I don’t bother with Facebook which I imagine is the worst place of the lot) who have this childish, impatient and spoilt attitude of wanting everything now, instant gratification only! Instant success! It doesn’t work that way… how can anyone not realise that? I’ll be honest, it really pissed me off last season… There were “fans” that wanted Dean replaced after we were promoted, “fans” that didn’t take any circumstances into account and constantly called for him to be replaced during our first PL season… It has just continued and even intensified… honestly, what a bunch of spoilt brats. These fools would like us to remove Dean, to tear up all the progress and to take a punt on a new manager and start all over again… why? We just about or barely managed to reach this level or status… after years… It’s like we aren’t allowed to lose… every time we do it’s “Smith out!”… We have taken on big teams and actually destroyed them on occasion… I can’t recall the last Villa manager to have done that. In the (relatively recent) past, if we managed to get a result against such sides it was due to a defensive, counter attacking performance and a breakaway goal. Not by going toe to toe or matching or exceeding those teams for intensity and attacking play… We destroyed big name teams by taking them on and boy were those performances enjoyable!! Dean has brought the good times back and we continue to improve… why would anyone want to throw that away? He can and will do better, he’s done so well so far. I see no reason to lose faith or patience in him… why the doubts? There really is no justification… Edited August 22, 2021 by Jas10 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, abdulaziz1 said: I don’t think Smith is out of criticism, as much as we love him he has his own mistakes. Those mistakes he himself fixes it. But usually too late. He waited 6-8 games to realize that Barkley is losing us a lot of points. He then took him off. Against Watford he reacted quickly, but usually his late subs costs us some games. It’s not only about quality, as some of his favorite players are on the bench sometimes. But you can feel that he usually keeps faith on those who are in the pitch when it’s clearly looking as a waste of time. Even Klopp and Pep aren’t out of criticism, and Pep especially costed his teams a lot of times, lately the CL final. It’s as Bruce for example who’s whole management is a mistake itself. Smith is learning too so that’s fine. It’s not us that understand a lot, but some basic things which are clear for anyone. I've tried to make this point as well myself. I'm sure there were angry Man City fans, I'm not even a Man City fan, and even I thought his lineup, tactics, were bizarre and a mistake, as was the consensus of the general footballing community.. That doesn't mean that Man City fans wanted Pep out, or don't acknowledge his accomplishments, or think he is a bad manager. lol One could make the argument, that a different manager might have won them that final though? For example? Anyway, I think most of us have accepted that Dean was also learning, along with the team etc. He even admits that himself. At board level, it's about getting the balance of stability, unity, morale, results, strategy and finances etc right. A long term Head Coach/Manager is probably crucial to that, and also enhances the image you are trying to put forward of the club. The hiring of upgraded coaches, players etc will obviously help him. He also seems to be a bit more pro active this season, which is a positive. It also depends on the boards long term vision, obviously. I don't want us to be one of those clubs where we are chopping and changing all the time, where it's almost as if you have to start the " connection " again ( One of the reasons why Greaseband leaving was so frustrating, not just the playing side ) However again, it's the balance of ambition vs results vs timescale etc etc If Dean were to get to the pinnacle with Aston Villa, it would be a hell of a love story. Edited August 22, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Apologies if I got too worked up or offended anyone… wasn’t my intention, needed to vent… Just… …can we not criticise or pick out faults or weaknesses (areas for improvement) without suggesting that the manager needs to go or that the job is too big for him? It’s all too common… why does every comment along those lines have to include that addition or tag line? It’s worth keeping in mind and not overlooking the fact that we are constantly working on improving in all areas, we can all see and hear that Dean is not satisfied and wants us to do better. He will do everything he can to take us as far as possible… After yesterday’s result, many people may have got carried away and have raised expectations… but not Dean. He only called it an “ok” performance but a good result… he’s not satisfied, that is cause for encouragement… he is also desperate for success… He is also unhappy and critical when we put in a poor performance or result… He is honest and never makes excuses… again, something that could not be said for many of our previous managers… 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I'm not basing this on any facts, just more of a vibe, but I feel like there's something in the way Smith manages and sets his teams up that leads many fans (myself included sometimes) to think that he's nowhere near as good as he actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Constructive criticism is fine, such as “we need to sort the midfield out” etc. but it’s so often followed with some kind of intimation that Dean should or will eventually be sacked or that the job is too big for him (hang on, he brought us to where we are now. The job wasn’t beyond him or other managers when he came in and we were struggling to get out of the bleeding Championship). He’s made the job “big” because he’s elevated us and taken us to higher levels, every season that he has been here! So if it’s such a “big job”… wouldn’t that mean he’s a “top manager” then? Loved that entire post but just wanted to bring some extra emphasis to this part. The man made the job, how could it possibly be to big for him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: Loved that entire post but just wanted to bring some extra emphasis to this part. The man made the job, how could it possibly be to big for him? Sorry, I guess I didn’t explain properly. What I meant was that before Dean came in, it wouldn’t have been viewed as such a big job, not as much as it is now… We were stuck in the Championship and struggling on and off the field. Run by charlatans and nearly went into administration… Dean, backed by our owners (who also deserve immense credit, they saved us off the field while Dean sorted us on the field) brought us back to our feet and has been a resounding success. He managed the team to a record breaking run of victories, he got us promoted, he kept us in the PL, established us in the league and has continually improved and progressed us… he has improved existing and new players… we’ve beaten big teams and achieved amazing results under his tenure… So… after all that… if it’s now being seen as such a big job, that’s only because Dean took us to this level… So hasn’t Dean achieved or warranted the kind of respect and status to be considered “worthy” of the job, doesn’t he deserve to continue to be our manager and lead us on to further success? He hasn’t let us down… Again, why suddenly turn on or betray him after all he has achieved? The notion that we should discard him now, after all he has accomplished, and somehow opt for better (who?) really does sicken and disappoint me. Anyway… We can even put Dean to one side… What I’m actually getting at is, we finally have the good times back. We finally have pride restored to our wonderful club… So why risk undoing all of that? And what actual basis is there for wanting to make a change and risking going backwards? When all we have done is move forwards… People usually say that the buck stops with the manager… Ok, well doesn’t it go both ways? Positive and negative? So therefore, who is responsible for our success and revival? Answer: Dean Smith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: Loved that entire post but just wanted to bring some extra emphasis to this part. The man made the job, how could it possibly be to big for him? Oh, I just realised that you weren’t actually asking a question… I think i best get some sleep! UTV!! UTDS!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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