Jesus Garcia Pitarch

[CosmicVillan]

11 hours ago, MaVilla said:

If we did that it wouldn't work, it would be 100 players running about and falling over each other as they play the Benny hill music through the loud speakers at Villa Park

I'd take that over Bruceball 

[Tom13]

Good to see him heavily involved in our celebrations last night

[ferguson1]

I actually thought his celebration in front of the Albion players/fans was a little over the top!  I mean, where did he get those pants from?  The new Primark possibly: 

[Demitri_C]

Well done jesus. Love abit of passion. 

[Stevo985]

2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Well done jesus. Love abit of passion. 

- Simon of Cyrene, 33AD

[GENTLEMAN]

Anyone else notice him in floods of tears at FT? I can’t be sure

[LxYoungAVFC]

On 15/05/2019 at 15:29, Demitri_C said:

Well done jesus. Love abit of passion. 

I see what you did there

[Demitri_C]

Watching him celebrate with the rest shows that these guys bloody care about us. 

[ferguson1]

I know Richard Madeley is full of it, but to call himself "Jesus" and work for our glorious club?  What does he honestly know about scouting?? 

[Tomaszk]

Size of the task for this man highlighted in this nifty twitter thing I saw from the excellent Ben Mayhew.

When you think within that 63.8% there's massive chunks representing players like Taylor, Hourihane, Steer, Elmo who IMO will struggle in the PL, it's remarkable. We hardly have a team. 

Although he seems to have a strong reputation, can anyone highlight some players Suso has signed before. Don't really know anything about his previous signings. We're putting a lot of hope in his scouts like Juan Fran and the French fella I've forgot the name of, but is this their first major role? You only have to look at the many many many crap pundits to know being a good player doesn't mean you can spot a player/understand football well.

I think Smith is almost the perfect coach for this type of squad overall. He's used to having a squad churn when he comes back for pre-season and Brentford very rarely let him down with their buys.

We may not get this chance for a squad revamp this severe for another 7 or 8 years, this is an incredible opportunity to sort us out. 

Edited June 23, 2019 by Tomaszk

[MaVilla]

1 hour ago, Tomaszk said:

Although he seems to have a strong reputation, can anyone highlight some players Suso has signed before. Don't really know anything about his previous signings. We're putting a lot of hope in his scouts like Juan Fran and the French fella I've forgot the name of, but is this their first major role? You only have to look at the many many many crap pundits to know being a good player doesn't mean you can spot a player/understand football well.

 

with regard to Suso Pitarch, I believe he signed players like Forlan and Jose Antonio Reyes for Athletico, Forlan scored 74 in 134 for them)

He may have had a hand in signing Sissoko for 900k (for valencia from Auxerre)

 

at Athletico Madrid they signed Sergio Aguero (now Man City),  Mista, Maniche, Forlan, Reyes, Motta (ex PSG), godin, Juanfran, Diego Costa (ex Chelsea) under Pitarchs watch, although i cant say whether he signed them or not?

Suso seems to have had his best years at Athletico 2006 - 2011, after that he spent limited amounts of time at various clubs, and doesnt seem to have set the world alight?

Dunno tbh, hard to pin down what he did and didnt do?

 

for example, i wonder if Wesley was a Pitarch identified signing?, or someone DS knew about?, or both?

Edited June 23, 2019 by MaVilla

[Villan4Life]

1 hour ago, Tomaszk said:

Size of the task for this man highlighted in this nifty twitter thing I saw from the excellent Ben Mayhew.

We're putting a lot of hope in his scouts like Juan Fran and the French fella I've forgot the name of, but is this their first major role?

Villa are their first roles scouting in football.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Villan4Life

[Tomaszk]

31 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

with regard to Suso Pitarch, I believe he signed players like Forlan and Jose Antonio Reyes for Athletico, Forlan scored 74 in 134 for them)

He may have had a hand in signing Sissoko for 900k (for valencia from Auxerre)

 

at Athletico Madrid they signed Sergio Aguero (now Man City),  Mista, Maniche, Forlan, Reyes, Motta (ex PSG), godin, Juanfran, Diego Costa (ex Chelsea) under Pitarchs watch, although i cant say whether he signed them or not?

Suso seems to have had his best years at Athletico 2006 - 2011, after that he spent limited amounts of time at various clubs, and doesnt seem to have set the world alight?

Dunno tbh, hard to pin down what he did and didnt do?

 

for example, i wonder if Wesley was a Pitarch identified signing?, or someone DS knew about?, or both?

Forlan from Villarreal and Reyes from Arsenal were very much well-known. Not the sort of signings we're apparently making.

Suso's movements are hard to track yes. Wonder where Purslow came across him.

31 minutes ago, Villan4Life said:

Villa are their first roles scouting in football.

Blimey. Wonder how they've landed those roles? From nowhere to Premier League. Expecting massive things from them with our current standing.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Tomaszk

[NPDK]

3 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

Blimey. Wonder how they've landed those roles? From nowhere to Premier League. Expecting massive things from them with our current standing.

It seems a bit harsh to say Juanfran came from nowhere to Premier League. I mean Celta Vigo, Levante, Valencia, Ajax and Besiktas aren't horrible places. He was also a part of Spains world cup squad in 2002. He has all the UEFA manager licenses necessary. He's one of Vicente Del Bosque's favorite players (Del Bosque was the reason Juanfran went to Besiktas). 

When it comes to former players turned scouts, I tend to look at the relationships. Juanfran played at Valencia and Ajax which happens to be two of the finest academies in Europe. It's a long time ago, and his spell at Ajax was short, but nonetheless he made relationships. At Ajax he was teammates with Johnny Heitinga (who happens to be Ajax U19 coach now), Maxwell (who is now assistant sporting director at PSG) and Tomas Galasek (an assistant coach for the Czech national team), as well as many others who went on to play throughout Europe. 

Same goes for Monterrubio in France. He spend three seasons with Alexander Frei at Rennes (Frei is now the manager at FC Basel). He came through Nantes youth academy, who, for a long time was considered one of the best in France, and an academy that still produces quite a few good footballers. 

When it comes to scouting, it is as much about relationships as it is actually about evaluating talent. Which is the primary reason I really like Suso as out Sporting Director. He has so many ties throughout Europe. Someone mentioned Suso not "setting the world alight" after Atletico Madrid. I think his legacy at Atletico Madrid is remarkable. He left them in a much better place than when he arrived. I know he didn't appoint Simeone, but he acquired most (if not all) of the backbone of that great Atletico team. He signed Diego Godin, Felipe Luis, Tiago, Paulo Assuncao, Juanfran, Falcao and he went and got Gabi back from Zaragoza. He really did a magnificent job at Atletico Madrid and prepared them to take that step up to battle Barcelona and Real Madrid on somewhat equal terms. 

[Tomaszk]

6 minutes ago, NPDK said:

When it comes to scouting, it is as much about relationships as it is actually about evaluating talent.

I think a DOF or Chief Exec yes, but not a scout for me.

The players you've listen Juanfran and Monterrubio played with, they might have not been pals at all. Can't assume they'll be exchanging recommendations just because they once shared a dressing room. It's about judging a player.

[thunderball]

Like the rest of our whole set up, I hope this is a long game and both management and players stay whatever happens. In the short term. We need a period of stability and laying foundations. Step 1: sign enough players for a match day team. After this I will feel relaxed

[Zatman]

From the recent Juanfran interview he certainly seems to know what type of players we are looking for based on watching our style of play

[TRO]

On 28/05/2019 at 09:37, GENTLEMAN said:

Anyone else notice him in floods of tears at FT? I can’t be sure

was he screaming....."I've still got a job" ?

[KentVillan]

The transfer market has gone the way of all financial markets -- information is much easier to source, aggregate and analyse, so finding a unique edge is harder, and the size of any edge you find is smaller.

So I'd be surprised if our scouting network starts pulling loads of rabbits out of hats. It's more likely that we'll just go for consistency, finding good fits for the playing style, minimising injury risk, avoiding expensive marquee signings, and structuring contracts well so that we don't bleed cash on failures like Micah Richards. That would already be a huge step up from the old regime.

In the financial markets, you'll get the odd hedge fund manager who has a good run of form, like Neil Woodford, and they're seen as some kind of superstar stock picker. Then when they try to replicate the success, all it takes is a few gambles to fail, and they look like mugs.

Same story with scouting. There's no magic formula. Steve Walsh at Leicester discovered Kante, Vardy and Mahrez. Got sacked by Everton trying to pull off the same trick.

Everybody has access to the same data, the same videos, the same tips. What we can sell to incoming players is a happy dressing room, a big stadium and fan base, a manager who plays good football, and a financially stable, well-run business. We might be the only relegation-threatened team that offers that, so I reckon that's our edge more than any kind of fancy scouting network.

But it's unlikely Suso's going to unearth some kid playing second tier football in Albania who turns out to be the next Pirlo.

Edited June 24, 2019 by KentVillan

[TRO]

7 hours ago, NPDK said:

It seems a bit harsh to say Juanfran came from nowhere to Premier League. I mean Celta Vigo, Levante, Valencia, Ajax and Besiktas aren't horrible places. He was also a part of Spains world cup squad in 2002. He has all the UEFA manager licenses necessary. He's one of Vicente Del Bosque's favorite players (Del Bosque was the reason Juanfran went to Besiktas). 

When it comes to former players turned scouts, I tend to look at the relationships. Juanfran played at Valencia and Ajax which happens to be two of the finest academies in Europe. It's a long time ago, and his spell at Ajax was short, but nonetheless he made relationships. At Ajax he was teammates with Johnny Heitinga (who happens to be Ajax U19 coach now), Maxwell (who is now assistant sporting director at PSG) and Tomas Galasek (an assistant coach for the Czech national team), as well as many others who went on to play throughout Europe. 

Same goes for Monterrubio in France. He spend three seasons with Alexander Frei at Rennes (Frei is now the manager at FC Basel). He came through Nantes youth academy, who, for a long time was considered one of the best in France, and an academy that still produces quite a few good footballers. 

When it comes to scouting, it is as much about relationships as it is actually about evaluating talent. Which is the primary reason I really like Suso as out Sporting Director. He has so many ties throughout Europe. Someone mentioned Suso not "setting the world alight" after Atletico Madrid. I think his legacy at Atletico Madrid is remarkable. He left them in a much better place than when he arrived. I know he didn't appoint Simeone, but he acquired most (if not all) of the backbone of that great Atletico team. He signed Diego Godin, Felipe Luis, Tiago, Paulo Assuncao, Juanfran, Falcao and he went and got Gabi back from Zaragoza. He really did a magnificent job at Atletico Madrid and prepared them to take that step up to battle Barcelona and Real Madrid on somewhat equal terms. 

I thought he retired from Aston Villa?