Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted April 28, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2022 The ultimate ownership company for the club, V Sports SCS, is now 10 months old. It will be the company that owns not just Aston Villa Football Club but all of the clubs that end up as part of the V Sports group, and I believe it currently owns 100% of the shares in NSWE. In so far as I can see (and it's in Luxembourg, so you don't get to see much) Christian Purslow is not a Director or Shareholder of V Sports SCS - and that makes sense - there will only ever be one Wes Edens and one Nassef Sawiris owning the V sports group, whereas I guess there will be a Christian Purslow figure in every city where the group own a club, running that club. What I'm not clear on is how that would affect Christian Purslow's minority shareholding - if V Sports SCS owns 100% of NSWE has that shareholding been bought out? I'm not sure why I care, just nosey I guess - but I'd love to be able to have some way to follow the movements of the group, to see where Wes and Nassef are investing and how - I'm guessing it's in Luxembourg to keep noses like mine out of that though! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted April 28, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2022 I'm down a bit of a rabbit hole. Nassef recently set up an investment company called Avanti Acquisition which is described as: Quote Avanti Acquisition Corp. is a blank check company incorporated as a Cayman Islands exempted company for the purpose of effecting a merger, share exchange, asset acquisition, share purchase, reorganization or similar business combination with one or more businesses or entities, which we refer to as our initial business combination. https://www.avanti-acquisition.com Now, I'm going to bring my full powers of deduction and years of training in the financial services industry to bear here and make the claim that I wonder if that's the company that V Sports SCS will use to facilitate purchasing other clubs - I base this on the clear and obvious evidence that it's owned by Nassef Sawiris, it's name begins with AV and I think it's a company that buys and merges other companies together. This bit might be interesting: Quote Our sponsor, Avanti Acquisition SCSp, is an affiliate of the NNS Group, a single-family office founded by Mr. Nassef Sawiris, and Sienna Capital, the wholly-owned alternative investment platform of Groupe Bruxelles Lambert, a publicly traded investment holding company, or GBL. We refer to NNS Group and Sienna Capital as our founders. It's interesting because Sienna Capital are based on a street in Luxembourg less than two miles away from the non-spiritual home of Aston Villa Football Club, V Sports SCS and Sienna capital are the vehicle of French fund manager and billionaire Ian Gallienne, who is also on the board at Adidas. Both Avanti Acquisitions and Sienna Capital are very large financial companies with much bigger fish in the fryer than buying a few football clubs for a couple of billionaires - but if you own a company that does a thing, you'd use that company to do the thing I guess, and if you can bring your super-rich investor mate that you know and trust along for the ride, why not? I'm not sure we get to find out, because the rules on visibility for companies in Luxembourg are very different to those here - which is why they're in Luxembourg - still it's worth keeping an eye on I suppose. All of which of course, should come with the very clear proviso that I know absolutely nothing about company structures, business finance, banking or mergers and acquisitions. I'm just a bloke that can't sleep. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm down a bit of a rabbit hole. Nassef recently set up an investment company called Avanti Acquisition which is described as: https://www.avanti-acquisition.com Now, I'm going to bring my full powers of deduction and years of training in the financial services industry to bear here and make the claim that I wonder if that's the company that V Sports SCS will use to facilitate purchasing other clubs - I base this on the clear and obvious evidence that it's owned by Nassef Sawiris, it's name begins with AV and I think it's a company that buys and merges other companies together. This bit might be interesting: It's interesting because Sienna Capital are based on a street in Luxembourg less than two miles away from the non-spiritual home of Aston Villa Football Club, V Sports SCS and Sienna capital are the vehicle of French fund manager and billionaire Ian Gallienne, who is also on the board at Adidas. Both Avanti Acquisitions and Sienna Capital are very large financial companies with much bigger fish in the fryer than buying a few football clubs for a couple of billionaires - but if you own a company that does a thing, you'd use that company to do the thing I guess, and if you can bring your super-rich investor mate that you know and trust along for the ride, why not? I'm not sure we get to find out, because the rules on visibility for companies in Luxembourg are very different to those here - which is why they're in Luxembourg - still it's worth keeping an eye on I suppose. All of which of course, should come with the very clear proviso that I know absolutely nothing about company structures, business finance, banking or mergers and acquisitions. I'm just a bloke that can't sleep. Seems as if you're snitching on our potential dodgy stealth dealings in aid of making us a superpower. ( Hide post behind a firewall where FFP regulators can't find it ) Sienna Capital Fortress Villa Park for 500 mill per season. VCS Sports new North Stand for 100 mill per season. Adidas kit sponsorship for 50 mill per season. All fair value, because well.... 1982. On a serious note though, all I rea dis that we are loaded both up front and behind the scenes. I've always been confident that our pockets went deeper. If you look at Wes Eden's " Net worth " it doesn't necessarily correlate with the grandiose ventures he's involved in, for example. Having said that, the likes of Forbes really have no way of knowing the true networth of certain individuals, unless they want them to. Aside from that, it's not about their " Net Worth " , it's about their NETWORK of Finance and Assets! I wouldn't be surprised if they've also seen the likes of Newcastle getting taken over, and decided that they need to call in bigger Guns behind the scenes to compete. I do love this rabbit hole stuff , keep it coming mate! Edited April 29, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 @JAMAICAN-VILLAN @OutByEaster? Nice one chaps, I would happily keep reading on this topic, please keep posting anything you can, very interesting and fun. Regarding Wes, I've always been of the opinion that the genius finance guys will only ever let you know on a need to know basis, he is probably worth as much or more then Nas of he opened his books up. JV said, "I wouldn't be surprised if they've also seen the likes of Newcastle getting taken over, and decided that they need to call in bigger Guns behind the scenes to compete. This is what I'm feeling too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Wes Edens up until recently was worth a billion but suddenly shot up to $4.1billion according to Forbes. I have always said Wes probably is worth a lot more than he’s letting on. Maybe he had a Nelson type character who would always flip him upside down and take his money off him. actual footage from his school days (allegedly): 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DJ_Villain Posted May 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2022 In my opinion, these guys have really turned our club around… They have bailed us out, backed us and given us optimism again Massive thanks to them! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: In my opinion, these guys have really turned our club around… They have bailed us out, backed us and given us optimism again Massive thanks to them! And at the same time Wes Edens has managed to increase his wealth from $1bn to $4bn. Guys genius. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Just now, sidcow said: And at the same time Wes Edens has managed to increase his wealth from $1bn to $4bn. Guys genius. And win the NBA championship He's doing alright 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: And win the NBA championship He's doing alright I trust him to run our club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paul514 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 We all have a lot of love for the owners and the reason is simple. We are back in the league we belong, debt free and the playing squad is up to scratch for top half finishes. From where we were it is night and day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, paul514 said: We all have a lot of love for the owners and the reason is simple. We are back in the league we belong, debt free and the playing squad is up to scratch for top half finishes. From where we were it is night and day. And because they actually have a long term plan to make the club bigger and better and sustainable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, ender4 said: And because they actually have a long term plan to make the club bigger and better and sustainable. Their plan to make us better has simply to back the people at the club buying players, usually that makes you a bigger club over time.... whether we become sustainable I don't see that at the moment, it would take an awfully long time, a lot of their money and a successful football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Just now, paul514 said: …whether we become sustainable I don't see that at the moment, it would take an awfully long time, a lot of their money and a successful football team. Well I meant more in terms of behind the scenes with the new Bodymoor Heath training centre, the plans to increase the stadium to 50k, the corporate structure and off-field staffing, even the Vegas Villains to spread the name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, ender4 said: Well I meant more in terms of behind the scenes with the new Bodymoor Heath training centre, the plans to increase the stadium to 50k, the corporate structure and off-field staffing, even the Vegas Villains to spread the name. They are doing things, but to become sustainable to produce good players and get enough income to invest in your own club takes loads of time and other things to fall into places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, paul514 said: Their plan to make us better has simply to back the people at the club buying players, usually that makes you a bigger club over time.... whether we become sustainable I don't see that at the moment, it would take an awfully long time, a lot of their money and a successful football team. It cannot go on forever but they obviously have a mid and long term plan in place to invest as much as they can. Its fun to them. Wes has Giannis at the Bucks and Nassef i think wants the best players here at Villa. As he said when he bought us He hates losing and the only way is up . At the end of the day its their dough. But everything they have done so far suggests this is just the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSvillain Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 We pretty much have a teenager for every single position, most of who we have poached from under the noses of 'bigger' clubs, that's the sustainability aspect of the model 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) There have been some bumps but it's impossible to deny that they've been anything less than outstanding. In 5 years they've taken us from near liquidation in the Championship to re-establishment in the Premier League, with a clear long term plan, and who have just signed Philippe Coutinho. Edited May 12, 2022 by Mantis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 They are not here to **** around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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