Axel Tuanzebe

[carewjust4u]

5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

I'm untested at CB in the senior team in the league too.

Maybe I'll be good enough?  

 

But in all seriousness, I hear this argument. I do. And I'll be as happy as anyone if he ends up blossoming at CB. But I've seen nothing in him to suggest that will be the case so I think it's just blind hope at this point.

Not completely blind though as he has played that potion for the senior, and youth teams for the biggest club in the country, and has been rewarded with multiple contracts.

I know he's been shit at RB and I hear your points, but you're coming across a tiny bit prejudicial. Give the lad a chance before writing him off in his actual position. 

[Stevo985]

5 minutes ago, carewjust4u said:

Not completely blind though as he has played that potion for the senior, and youth teams for the biggest club in the country, and has been rewarded with multiple contracts.

I know he's been shit at RB and I hear your points, but you're coming across a tiny bit prejudicial. Give the lad a chance before writing him off in his actual position. 

I'm not writing him off, just to be clear.

I just don't think he's ready right now going on what he's shown in a Villa shirt.

If he steps into CB and performs then I'll gladly say I was wrong.

[AvfcRigo82]

12 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

I'm untested at CB in the senior team in the league too.

Maybe I'll be good enough?  

Sign him up!   

[VillanousOne]

5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

I'm not writing him off, just to be clear.

I just don't think he's ready right now going on what he's shown in a Villa shirt.

If he steps into CB and performs then I'll gladly say I was wrong.

either way - putting all your hopes on a young player who has barely played centre back competitively is as dumb as erm... letting your only other experienced centre back leave on loan (no matter how crap you think he is).

not dissing Axe either as he is definitely a good prospect but I am not in the camp that thinks we should be blooding other team's players for them especially defenders/goal keepers where the stakes are so high and mistakes costly, I know Johnstone contradicts that but i presume we planned on signing him at some point and would have had Xia not nearly bankrupted us.

Also Axe didn't do anything last season to make me think 'ooooh wow we must get him on loan next year' either, even if he was unfortunate with injury.

[AvfcRigo82]

2 hours ago, VillanousOne said:

Also Axe didn't do anything last season to make me think 'ooooh wow we must get him on loan next year' either, even if he was unfortunate with injury.

At this rate he won't be doing much this season either..

[Farlz]

I'm hoping now after this international break we'll have Bolasie in the side which means Elmo drops back and Tuanzebe should hopefully get a proper chance at CB. I like this lad and while he clearly isn't a RB I don't think he's done too badly. The one time we've seen him at CB was against Yeovil and I thought he had a good game, doesn't have to push forward like on the right and and offers us much needed pace. Would prefer we give Tuanzebe a chance rather than bring back Terry, who has been on holiday for months and I'd expect would be on huge wages yet again. 

[ROTTERDAM1982]

Holding CM if Terry comes back?

 

For me, we have no protection for the defence from central midfield.We haven't enough pace, or strength in the middle of the park, and we need a better defensive midfielder if we are going to play Jack and McGinn

[AvfcRigo82]

It's astounding that we have 3 natural right backs in the team (4 if you throw Hutton in) and yet he plays a young lad who's naturally CB ahead of them all.

I will agree he is not having the best of times out there either which won't be doing his confidence any good.

By the time it does come to moving him to CB his confidence will possibly be shot to pieces by this stage anyway.

If he will not feature there then send the lad back to Manchester for the sake of his career.

[weedman]

Could the explanation not be that he's not quite ready, either not settled or whatever so is being eased in slightly out of the firing line as it were and will be moved back to the middle once his confidence improves a bit or once he starts to iron out the little issues he currently has?

Give him a dozen games or so on the right then move him inside once he's fully up to speed and we have Elmo back at RB and Bolasie on the wing? 

I'm sure he has ability, but he's made a few pretty basic errors that would be far more exposed if he was CB so Jedinak probably the more sensible option in the immediate short term with a view to Tuanzebe moving inside as the season progresses, seems to make sense to me 

[sne]

Nothing builds confidence like being played out off position and looking shaky at best alongside a makeshift defense and a GK new to the team.

The only thing I guess he can take from it is looking at Jedi and thinking:

At least I can't be as bad as that, can I?

 

[AvfcRigo82]

15 hours ago, weedman said:

Could the explanation not be that he's not quite ready, either not settled or whatever so is being eased in slightly out of the firing line as it were and will be moved back to the middle once his confidence improves a bit or once he starts to iron out the little issues he currently has?

Give him a dozen games or so on the right then move him inside once he's fully up to speed and we have Elmo back at RB and Bolasie on the wing? 

I'm sure he has ability, but he's made a few pretty basic errors that would be far more exposed if he was CB so Jedinak probably the more sensible option in the immediate short term with a view to Tuanzebe moving inside as the season progresses, seems to make sense to me 

Not quite ready?

I assure you after a few games in his natural position - under a manger that has half a clue you will see this lad is ready.

Not settled?

The Axe has spent half of last season down here nearly, he should be familiar by now I would have thought.

He does not need nursed in from right back first. He just needs to be played and continuously playing 90 minutes at CB!. Bruce is proving a point to the 3 natural right backs that should be banging his door down for a game and in the process it is causing severe unrest and confidence damaging to various players in the team.

If it is his plan to move Axel in to CB eventually then why not play a natural right back in their position instead of wrecking this lads confidence in the process.

It's just astounding. I wouldn't have even dreamed of doing this shit on subeuteo!

 

 

Edited September 5, 2018 by AvfcRigo82

[Stevo985]

22 hours ago, ROTTERDAM1982 said:

Holding CM if Terry comes back?

No

[romavillan]

1 minute ago, Stevo985 said:

No

Totally if Terry comes back and Axel returns to his natural position we'd STILL only have 3 centre backs for a 46 game season. 

3 central defenders. 46 games. That's IF we get a free agent in and Axel doesn't carry on playing out of position, otherwise it's 1 central defender, 46 games.

What could possibly go wrong there?

[screwdriver]

we played 3 at the back in pre season. Hutton was sweeping. maybe this is the way bruce wants to play. Tuezbeko would provide pace at the back

[AvfcRigo82]

CENTRE BACK

 

 

In a four man defence.

[Kiwivillan]

On 05/09/2018 at 00:53, carewjust4u said:

Not completely blind though as he has played that potion for the senior, and youth teams for the biggest club in the country, and has been rewarded with multiple contracts.

I know he's been shit at RB and I hear your points, but you're coming across a tiny bit prejudicial. Give the lad a chance before writing him off in his actual position. 

He's played 1/7 game at CB for Man U 3 at RB and 3 at DM.

At fault for the Ipswich and Brentford goals, in position he has played equal most for United first team you want to use as yardstick, due to poor positioning and being asleep but these faults will disappear at CB??

Edited September 6, 2018 by Kiwivillan

[Junxs]

Bruces words were that he can play anywhere across the back 4.

So what I dont understand is.. why is he playing Alan Hutton at LB and Tuanzebe at RB. Could at least swap the 2 around so only 1 fullback is not in his natural position rather than both of them.

Just cant get my head around the back 4 at the moment, only Chester is in his natural position. 

[Stevo985]

1 hour ago, Junxs said:

Bruces words were that he can play anywhere across the back 4.

So what I dont understand is.. why is he playing Alan Hutton at LB and Tuanzebe at RB. Could at least swap the 2 around so only 1 fullback is not in his natural position rather than both of them.

Just cant get my head around the back 4 at the moment, only Chester is in his natural position. 

Alan Hutton showed last season that he is better at LB than he is at RB.

People seem to be forgetting this.

[mjmooney]

I don't mind Hutton at LB. But the fact remains that

(1) we only have one actual CB, 

(2) Tuanzebe IS a defender, where Jedinak isn't,

AND

(3) we do have several specialist RBs in the squad. 

 

Edited September 6, 2018 by mjmooney

[blandy]

1 hour ago, mjmooney said:

I don't mind Hutton at LB. But the fact remains that

(1) we only have one actual CB, 

(2) Tuanzebe IS a defender, where Jedinak isn't,

AND

(3) we do have several specialist RBs in the squad. 

Ah, look at you with your quaint common sense and reason. Didn't that sort of thing used to all the rage at one time, back in the olden days?  In facxt didn't that STeve Bruce fella used to adopt a similar approach. Whatever happened to him, anyway? The one who came here a few years back and sorted out the defence..? He might have been a bit rubbish at coaching attacking play, but he could make a defence solid. Perhaps we should get him back to replace the current "funky" numpty, whoever he is.