Villan_of_oz Posted June 25, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2017 On 2017-6-10 at 09:06, flashingqwerty said: When bruce took the job he said he expected to be competing for the playoffs come the end of the season. So by that mark he has failed as we were not even close to competeing... So what did you expect him to come in and say ...... Hi I'm the new manager and this ex PL club is going to be a mid table team at best. Every manager would've said that.... Success isn't guaranteed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 13 hours ago, briny_ear said: Or maybe he just found out the problems were wider and deeper than he anticipated when he took the job. He wouldn't by any means be the first manager of our wonderful football club to discover that. Our football has got worse. Next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 On 2017-6-24 at 08:58, Vive_La_Villa said: Yes he failed but he was given 2 seasons. He had to be given 2 seasons because he did not achieve what we all expected from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post briny_ear Posted June 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2017 6 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: He had to be given 2 seasons because he did not achieve what we all expected from him. When you say "we", I think you may just mean the 6 or 7 posters on here who keep banging on about how he's "failed". Personally, my expectations were (a) that he should stop us plummeting towards Division 1 and (b ) to see what could be rescued from a disastrous start to the season. He achieved (a) but (b ) was a bit meh. Anyways, this is NOT the Steve Bruce thread so please will the anti-Bruce mob go back there to post this sort of stuff. I'm not too sure what sort of content was anticipated for this thread but post after post telling us that Bruce failed to meet some people's unrealistic expectations last season almost certainly wasn't part of the plan. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted June 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 hour ago, briny_ear said: When you say "we", I think you may just mean the 6 or 7 posters on here who keep banging on about how he's "failed". Personally, my expectations were (a) that he should stop us plummeting towards Division 1 and (b ) to see what could be rescued from a disastrous start to the season. He achieved (a) but (b ) was a bit meh. Anyways, this is NOT the Steve Bruce thread so please will the anti-Bruce mob go back there to post this sort of stuff. I'm not too sure what sort of content was anticipated for this thread but post after post telling us that Bruce failed to meet some people's unrealistic expectations last season almost certainly wasn't part of the plan. Well that's not true. He failed at his own expectations, not really some people's unrealistic ones. I think you've focused on them to suit your agenda. The man himself clearly and publicly stated an expectation after he failed to mount a challenge (he said he felt confident of doing that) and then failed to live up to it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashingqwerty Posted June 25, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2017 9 hours ago, Villan_of_oz said: So what did you expect him to come in and say ...... Hi I'm the new manager and this ex PL club is going to be a mid table team at best. Every manager would've said that.... Success isn't guaranteed A smart manager wouldnt publicly set goals he didnt believe were achievable. Its not like he said this as soon as he was in the door. He had been in charge over a month when he set this target. Seems to me ppl are far too eaher to make excuses for a man who looked clueless at best last season. I hope SB is the answer but my experience in the game and watching it tells me come christmas he will be gone and the next incombant will be in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I never really expected the play offs when he came in, we were miles adrift due to the awful start and we'd won 1 game in 9 games so I think people are rewriting things a bit to say that was an expected accomplishment. Derby were down there with us and they came nowhere near either, hardly anyone does it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, flashingqwerty said: A smart manager wouldnt publicly set goals he didnt believe were achievable. Its not like he said this as soon as he was in the door. He had been in charge over a month when he set this target. Seems to me ppl are far too eaher to make excuses for a man who looked clueless at best last season. I hope SB is the answer but my experience in the game and watching it tells me come christmas he will be gone and the next incombant will be in. So, getting back on topic, what do you think Bruce should say about next season? Maybe, "In the light of my experiences last season, I am setting no expectations for the team for 2017/8. I will just wait to see if the 6/7 ardent posters on Villatalk who fill every thread with lengthy essays about how I am clueless are proved right."? Please, if you just want to repeat endlessly your view that Bruce "failed" last season, go to his thread to do it. Most of us know not to bother to visit it any more. Edited June 25, 2017 by briny_ear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Messy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, VillaChris said: I never really expected the play offs when he came in, we were miles adrift due to the awful start and we'd won 1 game in 9 games so I think people are rewriting things a bit to say that was an expected accomplishment. Derby were down there with us and they came nowhere near either, hardly anyone does it. IIRC initial results under Bruce where fantastic and on that form a playoff spot looked likely. Then it all went a bit meh. Just need to re-kindle and sustain that 2pt/game form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, Mr.Messy said: IIRC initial results under Bruce where fantastic and on that form a playoff spot looked likely. Then it all went a bit meh. Just need to re-kindle and sustain that 2pt/game form. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashingqwerty Posted June 26, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, briny_ear said: So, getting back on topic, what do you think Bruce should say about next season? Maybe, "In the light of my experiences last season, I am setting no expectations for the team for 2017/8. I will just wait to see if the 6/7 ardent posters on Villatalk who fill every thread with lengthy essays about how I am clueless are proved right."? Please, if you just want to repeat endlessly your view that Bruce "failed" last season, go to his thread to do it. Most of us know not to bother to visit it any more. I was asked a question so i answered it. If you dont like that, then i think forums are not for you... Edited June 26, 2017 by flashingqwerty 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 17 hours ago, briny_ear said: When you say "we", I think you may just mean the 6 or 7 posters on here who keep banging on about how he's "failed". Personally, my expectations were (a) that he should stop us plummeting towards Division 1 and (b ) to see what could be rescued from a disastrous start to the season. He achieved (a) but (b ) was a bit meh. Anyways, this is NOT the Steve Bruce thread so please will the anti-Bruce mob go back there to post this sort of stuff. I'm not too sure what sort of content was anticipated for this thread but post after post telling us that Bruce failed to meet some people's unrealistic expectations last season almost certainly wasn't part of the plan. Or, pro-Villa. And, last time I looked, Bruce will be heading our `promotion charge', so quite reasonable that he should figure in discussions about same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Well judging by the last 30+ games, there will be no promotion charge under Bruce. So maybe this thread should be renamed the Whatever thread So those convinced that there will be a PC wont feel out of place and neglected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted June 26, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2017 Leave the individual slatings out of this thread...he has his own topic! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 It is a testing start therefore Brucie should he start well, leaves us good for further down the line in the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: It is a testing start therefore Brucie should he start well, leaves us good for further down the line in the season I hope those that are looking for explanations......are as quick to practice what they preach, if all goes well. I don't want to hear the " well we are only ten games in"..... we haven't won it yet. Edited June 26, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I am not bothered how we achieve promotion in terms of slow start -strong finish......or strong start -slow finish as long as we do it. I guess a consistent season would be my ideal choice......and looking like we are unlikely to come straight back down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TRO said: I hope those that are looking for explanations......are as quick to practice what they preach, if all goes well. I don't want to hear the " well we are only ten games in"..... we haven't won it yet. A bit like last season when those who said in November, December that it wasn't sustainable to play the way we did and that it would catch up to us unless Bruce started to develop our game was ridiculed and told they were moaning for the sake of it. Edited June 26, 2017 by sne 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TRO said: I hope those that are looking for explanations......are as quick to practice what they preach, if all goes well. I don't want to hear the " well we are only ten games in"..... we haven't won it yet. I want to see improvement, I won't tolerate a rdm start. Bruce has no excuses Edited June 26, 2017 by Demitri_C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 He really has no excuses. With money we spent, the squad we have we should really be winning the title 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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