The Fun Factory Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Grasshopper said: The simple solution to this debate of Promotion Charge with Bruce, because preseason 4 promotions....etc and some posters views that he should have either already been a goner or that there's no confidence in him is If This football club would care to set up the playing staff, coaches and other recruitment structures in place so that we had a clear manager/player/coaches profile then we'd have "fits" coming in and "misfits" going out. So keeping a manager just to avoid forming a "profile" for all staff is pure negligence and doomed to fail. I'm looking at Southampton as a perfect model for us, and If one asks the question "Would Soton have employed RDM or Bruce? would they style their football like we do currently?" Adkins wasn't exactly a glamour manager but he got the job down and got Saints up. They then were quite ruthless and ditched him once they got in the Premier League. If Villa do the same with Bruce then I would take that,. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted June 29, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2017 On 2017-6-26 at 20:14, Grasshopper said: Well judging by the last 30+ games, there will be no promotion charge under Bruce. So maybe this thread should be renamed the Whatever thread So those convinced that there will be a PC wont feel out of place and neglected Don't try and hijack this thread GH, you'll spread yourself too thin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Id love to see a promotion made in Brum - Green, RHM, Davies - all being stars next season. That would be great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 29, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 29, 2017 Just now, hippo said: Id love to see a promotion made in Brum - Green, RHM, Davies - all being stars next season. That would be great. You had me momentarily bamboozled with Davies. Curse your extra E (and even he's Stevenage). Add in Jackie Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 5 hours ago, hippo said: Id love to see a promotion End of. I would watch 46 matches of awful football if we got promoted tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 2 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: End of. I would watch 46 matches of awful football if we got promoted tbh. By definition last year's football was awful and that didn't get it done. We need to be much better. Setting up not to get beat but ultimately doing so at Burton albion doesn't fill me with confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 32 minutes ago, Johnnyp said: By definition last year's football was awful and that didn't get it done. We need to be much better. Setting up not to get beat but ultimately doing so at Burton albion doesn't fill me with confidence. Possibly- but under RDM we would have lost that match at Burton. Bruce made us harder to beat but I agree that we need to be more clinical next season if we are to go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: Possibly- but under RDM we would have lost that match at Burton. Bruce made us harder to beat but I agree that we need to be more clinical next season if we are to go up. Did he really, on closer inspection ? Brentford was more embarrassing than any result under RDM. Played with fear after we went 1 up at forest. Lost the game. 2 up to Preston at home, drew. Ipswich at home..shocking. Bruce is under massive pressure from the off now. Great to see villa taking another week off too whilst a fair chunk of championship sides are back at it since Monday. I mean they clearly deserve it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Johnnyp said: Did he really, on closer inspection ? Brentford was more embarrassing than any result under RDM. Played with fear after we went 1 up at forest. Lost the game. 2 up to Preston at home, drew. Ipswich at home..shocking. Bruce is under massive pressure from the off now. Great to see villa taking another week off too whilst a fair chunk of championship sides are back at it since Monday. I mean they clearly deserve it. Yes but we then went on to win 7 out of 8 and won 4 on the spin without letting in a goal. Last season had some unacceptable bad periods- but the last few months at least there was something to build on. Showed good character for the Brighton game for example. I think we should go into next season with a clean slate and not to put 'massive pressure' on the manager. As a club we need to help create a positive atmosphere and some continuity. Bruce has made some mistakes but I am for one am ready to back him 100% from the first game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 23 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Adkins wasn't exactly a glamour manager but he got the job down and got Saints up. They then were quite ruthless and ditched him once they got in the Premier League. If Villa do the same with Bruce then I would take that,. It seems to me that's exactly the model we need. Anyone who thinks we could attract the likes of Pochettino, Koeman, Puel or Pellegrino to Villa to help us scramble out of the Championship is living in la-la land. We've got the type of manager who can do that. We don't have to keep him when we get back to the premier league. It takes a lot of time and hard work to build a system of squad selection and development like Southampton have and I don't yet see much evidence that this is happening under Xia. Edited June 29, 2017 by briny_ear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 8 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Possibly- but under RDM we would have lost that match at Burton. Bruce made us harder to beat but I agree that we need to be more clinical next season if we are to go up. He didn't. I don't know why this keeps being presented as a fact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Watching us it FELT like we were harder to beat. And maybe it was harder to beat us - but we didn't lose less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted June 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2017 14 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Possibly- but under RDM we would have lost that match at Burton. Bruce made us harder to beat but I agree that we need to be more clinical next season if we are to go up. I don't personally think our issue was a lack of being clinical - that in my mind always suggests loads of chances were created and squandered. For me we need to be 100% more POSITIVE- in selection, in tactics, in how we are when we go ahead, even down to how we defend corners. IMO we have the players in place to outscore anyone, and whilst I understand we need to defend well as a team, I hope it no longer dominates all our thinking. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 New GK Bree - Terry - Chester - Taylor Jedi Lansbury - Hourihane Adomah - Kodjia - Green McCormack, Gabby, Hogan, Thor, Jack, Tshibola, Gardner, Lyden, Bacuna, Hutton, RDL, Baker, Richards, Elphick, Amavi, Steer/Bunn Vereout, Gil, Sanchez probably going following loan spells. I see a few of the above probably being moved on too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 On 30/06/2017 at 12:47, Dante_Lockhart said: New GK Bree - Terry - Chester - Taylor Jedi Lansbury - Hourihane Adomah - Kodjia - Green McCormack, Gabby, Hogan, Thor, Jack, Tshibola, Gardner, Lyden, Bacuna, Hutton, RDL, Baker, Richards, Elphick, Amavi, Steer/Bunn Vereout, Gil, Sanchez probably going following loan spells. I see a few of the above probably being moved on too. That needs a bit of stripping but it's a good squad in place. I'd get rid of Hutton and Richards to start. Richards is obvious and even though Hutton was better last year he should be behind de laet and not blocking Bree. A lot will depend on people playing like they can McCormack especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 On 29 June 2017 at 22:55, Johnnyp said: Did he really, on closer inspection ? Brentford was more embarrassing than any result under RDM. Played with fear after we went 1 up at forest. Lost the game. 2 up to Preston at home, drew. Ipswich at home..shocking. Bruce is under massive pressure from the off now. Great to see villa taking another week off too whilst a fair chunk of championship sides are back at it since Monday. I mean they clearly deserve it. Luton town says hello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 2, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2017 It would be really really nice if we could avoid any key players avoiding lengthy injuries and injuries coinciding with the absence of other players in their position or going off the rails. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 A back 4 of Bree Terry Chester Taylor is easily the best in the championship and we really shouldn't be conceding many goals. I honestly think we could keep it below 35. You could also argue that the back up back 4 of Hutton Elphick Baker De Leat is still very strong (Elphick played ok wen next to a dominating cb like baker or Terry but was poor when with Chester and neither wanted to mark. I'm also thinking amavi will be sold). It gives us a very good platform to go from. No excuses now for Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillz Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 It's a new season and i'm an eternal optimist. We are going to win the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 3, 2017 Moderator Share Posted July 3, 2017 For those who keep an eye on our odds. We're now in from 7s to 6s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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