TRO Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) What will happen tonight? Many things.... but amongst them......will we pick up their 3 best Players Ritchie,Gayle & Shelvey? I doubt it. We should be playing them like they wished they wasn't playing.....Instead they will probably pepper our Goalie. Edited February 20, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, TRO said: What will happen tonight. Many things.... but amongst them......will we pick up their 3 best Players Ritchie,Gayle & Shelvey I doubt it. We should be playing them like they wished they wasn't playing. For me Ritchie was Bournemouth's best player. Who ever plays left back will have his hands full. Bet Bruce reverts to 3 at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, PaulC said: For me Ritchie was Bournemouth's best player. Who ever plays left back will have his hands full. Bet Bruce reverts to 3 at the back I will be watching with interest in how much freedom, they get. I know its not as easy as it sounds, negating a teams best players.....but tell that to teams who are up for it.....they make it there business to be a nause......and thats where we need to get back to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Despite a completely new team, we are still so mentally weak. As soon as we concede, we go to pot, sit back and start launching the ball. I really don't know what we are going to do to change it. Even if Bruce goes we'll just ruin another manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretonvilla Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Again ,no one remotely looking likes captain or leader out there ,,,,NOTHING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) Purely hypothetical, but where do you think we'd be in the league and where do you think Newcastle would be in the league if we started the season with their players and they started with ours? If we were fielding Clark, Dummett, Colback etc. Would we be top? Edited February 20, 2017 by turvontour Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2017 We'll sack Bruce, in will come the next manager and we'll still be shit, no matter who it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Newcastle spent money and brought quality game changers who have done it in the PL and shown desire to work their way up and hit the top . We bought clowns from Bristol and Fulham just here for the lolz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 to answer the question at hand: everything /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Same as ever...we play o.k at 0-0. As soon as the opposition go in the lead it's game over. Never known a period where several Villa teams have as little fighting spirit as the ones we've assembled over the last 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 15 minutes ago, turvontour said: Purely hypothetical, but where do you think we'd be in the league and where do you think Newcastle would be in the league if we started the season with their players and they started with ours? If we were fielding Clark, Dummett, Colback etc. Would we be top? Nope. Benitez actually works on coaching players and tactics. The last few managers we have hired don't, it's obvious to see. Bruce even has said in the past he doesn't do tactics. What we need is a coach, someone who can drill these players to working with a set style. We are playing as individuals and not a team. There is no team spirit either. He doesn't believe in what he is doing, 3-5-2 one week and the next drops it completely. He is doubting himself. I guess the ownership situation at Hull (Hull tigers etc) gave Bruce the platform to get team spirit there almost a siege mentality if you like. Overall though, he doesn't fit the profile of what we need going forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 ...Is it us? I mean...what else can possibly change. It's a whole new squad, new backroom staff, new manager, new chairman. Do we need to move ground and change the bloody colours or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: We'll sack Bruce, in will come the next manager and we'll still be shit, no matter who it is. Incorrect. If we get a good manager our fortunes will improve vastly. The problem as I've said earlier in the thread is that appointing a good manager appears to be beyond us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 We cannot attract a quality manager, tha'ts the problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevpants Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 The best way I can summarise this is if you took those 11 Newcastle players and put them in Villa jerseys and vice versa, the team in Villa jerseys would have lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: We cannot attract a quality manager, tha'ts the problem! How do the likes of Huddersfield, Fulham, Reading etc manage it? Squandering vast sums on Championship level players in transfer fees and wages when the money would be far better spent on a proper talented manager who would know how to set up a team and develop players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) *Disclaimer, nobody outside of knowing whats going on at BMH can possibly know whats wrong, and most certainly i dont, however..... Heres one thing i dont get, I dont see any of the principles of football in our play. week one you work on defending, role of pressuring, covering, balancing defenders, functionally what you want your 1-11 to do when the ball is in XYZ position. Shape in denying space, transition of each line as a unit, getting into players, backpressing, defending the counter attack etc... Once all the defending is done you work on penetration, breaking lines, playing in between opposition units, getting on the half turn, driving, mobility to find space. Speed in transition when you win the ball. If thats not open, you work on creating width thru #7/#2 and #11/#3, giving support and depth to each player to switch the point of attack, working on playing at a speed of play that the opposition cannot handle, bouncing the ball and setting it to underneath players, getting players who want to get on the ball in the team. I see none of this, I cannot tell you why, but my best guess is they are either not being taught this, or are not following instructions. Only have to look at Silva at Hull to see a team being taught/and or executing instructions, the change in them has been phenomenal. Edited February 21, 2017 by Dom_Wren 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 8 hours ago, VillaChris said: Same as ever...we play o.k at 0-0. As soon as the opposition go in the lead it's game over. Never known a period where several Villa teams have as little fighting spirit as the ones we've assembled over the last 18 months. This for me. The players are bottlers. They don't have any fighting spirit at all. The biggest bunch of pussies I have ever seen. Scared to play in front of 30k fans. Bunch of babies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2017 9 hours ago, villa89 said: Incorrect. If we get a good manager our fortunes will improve vastly. The problem as I've said earlier in the thread is that appointing a good manager appears to be beyond us. We appointed a good manager (at this level at least) and he's turned to shit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 9 hours ago, Stevo985 said: We'll sack Bruce, in will come the next manager and we'll still be shit, no matter who it is. Almost impossible to be any more s**t than this. I know its not the sensible thing to do and probably further enhances our status as a shambles of a club but honestly Steve really isn't helping us out is he? What is he doing to turn this crap around? Rotherham/Wigan/Blackburn are all picking up wins. Warnock is flying at Cardiff. Despite all the negative aspects around our club at the minute can anyone honestly say there isn't a manager in the country who could be doing better than this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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