skarroki Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Well I've defended him and hoped for the magical pre-season cure but it's not happened. If he's still here in September then we've had a very good run or Tony is still negotiating with the next guy behind closed doors. As for Wyness and Round, they are guys who know football and know what they are doing, Bruce made sense and was the right appointment on paper, it just isn't working though for whatever reason. I'm not giving up hope yet, but by game 10 of this season I expect 5-10 more points on the board than last season under Di Matteo and if that hasn't happened then the season is over before it's even begun frankly and we're in massive trouble financially too if we don't get out this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 22 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I've been saying for a while now that questions need to be asked re Wyness. Another football dinosaur 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Wrong topic I knows but Ian Ayre is out of a job. Would rather have him heading up the manager hunt than Wynessaurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Look at the average positions. We have basically three midfielders playing in the same position. O'Hare needs to play and fill the gap between middle of the park and Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Look how well Burnley did at Chelsea today. A real game plan and very well drilled. You need that, and then the quality can flourish. We can't just keep putting different variations of 11 out and hope that will work any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, KJT123 said: Look at the average positions. We have basically three midfielders playing in the same position. O'Hare needs to play and fill the gap between middle of the park and Hogan. exactly. Also look how few passes Hutton made to anyone. He cripples us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan501 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Ive had time to calm down from earlier moaning however i can say my stance has bot changed id rather fail trying than wimper on for bruce to turn this round he needs a run of games under his leadership we are not going to go on runs of 5+ wins regularly to go up bruce is a win lose draw draw lose lose win sort of guy if we go unbeaten there will be many draws in there. Bruce cannot set up a team positively and he cant push us on imagine lets say he performs a miracle and gets us up does everyone trust him to build a premiership side because i for sure dont he will wastevmillions of pounds and not cut it full stop. So for me he deserves no more money and 3 games maximum he really has to win 2 of them oronce that break comes around hes gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: What was the crowd like today? Once you lose the away support there is no come back, so interested to hear what they were like My mate went and said it's the first game in years he's left early for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Unfortunately I don't think he will be gone until after Norwich at the earliest. if he wants to win me back he needs to make a big statement midweek Yes. I have turned and only an outstanding performance with a convincing win midweek will give him a stay of execution in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 12, 2017 Shame we didn't get David Wagner or Sean Dyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Mammoth10 said: I generally agree with most of what you say Tro, so rarely comment because you've already said it. As far as we stand today, he's gotta go, we are purely regressing, I've made this call mainly on today, never should we be losing a second tier game 3-0 (someone referred to Brentford) but this was different, 5/6-0 would not have flattered Cardiff, when things start to drift like this it's game over, we or the Dr needs to do the business because our squad can be turned around after only 2 games, unfortunately Bruce isn't going to see this through, we've no style, no plan, no pattern (even if it's genuine hoofing) we need an identity and a character to stand up to, and get rid of the shite like Gabby, Hutton etc...then we can start to move forward, in my view! I said in the pre match thread that this game would be a good indicator of where we are...... We could and probably should have lost 8 or 9 Nil but for a string of saves by Johnstone. It does seem crazy after 2 league games but the performances have been so so poor today and disappointing last week and after most of last season it's really not so crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 He is doing what I feared would happen and started badly. The pressure is building but I think we still need to wait and see. Its only 2 games in. But I have to say at least on today's display it does not look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted August 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 12, 2017 Will be gone by November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Will be gone by November. I doubt he will see September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Give him the next 2 games and don't let him sign anyone in that time, if we fail to get at least 3 points from those 2 games then get rid and hopefully get a new guy in with a bit of time left in the transfer window. That would be giving him a fair chance imo but if it was up to me he'd be gone already, brutal manager stuck in his ways. Edited August 12, 2017 by Bunnski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 12, 2017 Tony's silence is deafening 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 12, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 12, 2017 Just now, fightoffyour said: Tony's silence is deafening Nothing from the Dr or Wyness, perhaps they are busy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP1982 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Listening to the wolves wolves manger is so refreshing and forward thinking. Bruce is just not what we need right now!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honest_bertie Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Reading what @TrentVilla says about Wagner my heart sinks. I have been on the fence about Wyness, my gut instinct has always been that he's probably stuck in the past and matey with the Bruce, Moyes, Big Sam, Brit manager school of thinking. But he has interviewed quite well and made all the right noises as to our plans and future progression. Back up the leagues. Unfortunately I now think my gut instinct was right, says a lot but questionable and perhaps a bit out of touch/date with what makes a successful club? to think we might have passed up the opportunity of a real progressive manger such as Wagner for the shit with Bruce we've endured the last 6 months really concerns me. Edited August 12, 2017 by honest_bertie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Bruce has to go but I'm not so sure Wagner would've done much better. He's done a great job with Huddersfield but then again, Lambert did a great job with Norwich and came here and di shit for the most part. Granted we have a different owner now but things do have a habit of turning to shit here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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