Eastie Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 8 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Because he saw an opportunity and he took it. Wednesday are a rather passive team. Tons of ability, but they don't try to impose themselves as much as others we've played recently. Bannan was their best player, but he was sitting deep a mile away from Mile, so Bruce must have seen an opportunity there to stick two up front, trust the energy in midfield and stifle the back four. We kick managers for not making those bold decisions in game. We should credit them when they do and it works. Wednesday had no answer to it, even before the red. Switching formations mid game is the sign of a decent manager not the dinosaur some claim him to be . we need to be able to adapt and change things if needed and credit to Bruce . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted March 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2017 7 hours ago, sidcow said: It's like rain on your wedding day which is not Ironic unless you are a weather forecaster, etc Or if your name was Sonny Spells, and you were to become Mr and Mrs Sonny Spells... that would have a certain irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 It seems you have to explain everything in every post on here or people tend to just pick the bits they like. To be clear up I think bringing Hutton on instead of using the other players available yesterday made little difference to the result. If Bruce put Davis up front for example and kept Adomah right mid I still think we'd have won. The change in shape made us more solid as it matched theres and we beat them. If we never got the result yesterday would people still be saying playing 4 fullbacks at home was a good idea? I seem to remember Mcleish doing similar away and being slaughtered. We've 10 games or so and if we win every one it'll mean nothing by the first game of next season. Giving kids a chance is a gamble but one we can afford to do a bit. At 2 nil up at home against 10 men who do you bring on Elphick who you obviously don't Rate or a young kid to get them used to the first team? I'm happy Bruce is here and I think he'll get us up next season but I'd like us to use these remaining games to do more than grind out results I'll except that next year when results will matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I actually expected us to win. We should have beaten Huddersfield to. Confidence does wonders for a team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Eastie said: Switching formations mid game is the sign of a decent manager not the dinosaur some claim him to be . we need to be able to adapt and change things if needed and credit to Bruce . It is indeed, so credit where it's due. I'm thrilled that we won, and equally thrilled that Bruce did good. It's only one game though, folks. If we start seeing these 'tactical masterstrokes', more often, I'm sure all his critics will pipe down, me included. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, dn1982 said: It seems you have to explain everything in every post on here or people tend to just pick the bits they like. To be clear up I think bringing Hutton on instead of using the other players available yesterday made little difference to the result. If Bruce put Davis up front for example and kept Adomah right mid I still think we'd have won. The change in shape made us more solid as it matched theres and we beat them. If we never got the result yesterday would people still be saying playing 4 fullbacks at home was a good idea? I seem to remember Mcleish doing similar away and being slaughtered. We've 10 games or so and if we win every one it'll mean nothing by the first game of next season. Giving kids a chance is a gamble but one we can afford to do a bit. At 2 nil up at home against 10 men who do you bring on Elphick who you obviously don't Rate or a young kid to get them used to the first team? I'm happy Bruce is here and I think he'll get us up next season but I'd like us to use these remaining games to do more than grind out results I'll except that next year when results will matter. Although I see where you are coming from I disagree about how results can impact next season. We need to win as many games as we can from now until the end of the season so the confidence is sky high and the players have a belief they are unbeatable. This is the mindset to take in to next season. It would be good to give young players a chance but if it affects results then it's not worth it in my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, vreitti said: It is indeed, so credit where it's due. I'm thrilled that we won, and equally thrilled that Bruce did good. It's only one game though, folks. If we start seeing these 'tactical masterstrokes', more often, I'm sure all his critics will pipe down, me included. I'm not being funny, genuinely, but it's 4 wins out of 5 and one unlucky defeat. They don't have to all be 'tactical masterstroke' victories, sometimes getting it right from the very start and keeping plugging away is more than good enough. Lost two left wingers against Rotherham, replacing the one already injuried. He's dealing with what is it now, ELEVEN injuries? Edited March 12, 2017 by dont_do_it_doug. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 12, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2017 50 minutes ago, dn1982 said: Giving kids a chance is a gamble but one we can afford to do a bit. At 2 nil up at home against 10 men who do you bring on Elphick who you obviously don't Rate or a young kid to get them used to the first team? It's a noble sentiment, but I think you need to have the kids to do it. I don't think we do. With the possible exception of Hepburn-Murphy, I've not seen anyone in our reserve squad this year that I think is going to go on and play regularly for the first team, and I think it's unlikely for Hepburn-Murphy. We've got some decent players coming through that are 14-15, but our youth set up had gone to pot and there's not a lot of real promise in the current group to my mind. I don't think we'd be bringing on a young kid to get them used to the first team, I don't think that we have any on the verge of becoming part of the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mjvilla Posted March 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2017 For me, Bruce has done exactly the job I thought and expected when he took over. i never thought for a second we were going to suddenly become world beaters and play wonderful football. I never thought we would make the playoffs from the shambles we were. but what he's done is steady the ship. He's won a few games and also lost a few. But the further into the job he gets, the more positives we have. The team is becoming more cohesive, I think we have a really excellent side at this level which will be improved upon in the summer again. More importantly, he's given us all something to cheer. A few wins (away from home as well as at home), wins on the trot, a couple of late winners. We don't go into every game expecting to be disappointed anymore. There's a long, long way to go but we have turned the corner under Bruce and long may those things to cheer continue. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted March 12, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2017 If we've got to a stage that the only thing to be critical of if Bruce is his choice of sub when 2-0 up with 10 to go things must have improved. Right now we have be some momentum, we've new players that have improved us and who are improving themselves. At this moment on time we can dare to be optimistic about next season. As for developing the young players, Bruce has shown with Green he is willing to blood them in the right circumstances. Things aren't perfect but they are the best they've been in quite some time. We just need to keep this going and try and create some momentum to take into next season, not to mention a little confidence. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: If we've got to a stage that the only thing to be critical of if Bruce is his choice of sub when 2-0 up with 10 to go things must have improved. Right now we have be some momentum, we've new players that have improved us and who are improving themselves. At this moment on time we can dare to be optimistic about next season. As for developing the young players, Bruce has shown with Green he is willing to blood them in the right circumstances. Things aren't perfect but they are the best they've been in quite some time. We just need to keep this going and try and create some momentum to take into next season, not to mention a little confidence. Truth, and I think we have both been on the full spectrum of wanting him in, to possibly wanting him out. lol This time the choice of subs came off as a masterstroke even though at the time I feared the worst! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I was a bit unsure going into this season. I didn't think it would be 'more fun' as some suggested and a good reason to get relegated. I was excited by our spending in August but we were still well short on quality and numbers. I do t think getting promoted would be good for us this season. Players need to gel a bit more - but next season is a different story. Looking forward to August already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, dn1982 said: Giving kids a chance is a gamble but one we can afford to do a bit. At 2 nil up at home against 10 men who do you bring on Elphick who you obviously don't Rate or a young kid to get them used to the first team? I'm happy Bruce is here and I think he'll get us up next season but I'd like us to use these remaining games to do more than grind out results I'll except that next year when results will matter. He' bringing Andre Green through, he's giving game time to Keinan Davies, he's given a debut to Corey Taylor, he's bought a young Right Back in James Bree and is giving him game time clearly with the intention of bringing him through. Just because he didn't bring a youngster on at one point in a game which you've decided was an appropriate time to do it, doesn't mean he isn't giving kids a chance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I'm not being funny, genuinely, but it's 4 wins out of 5 and one unlucky defeat. They don't have to all be 'tactical masterstroke' victories, sometimes getting it right from the very start and keeping plugging away is more than good enough. Lost two left wingers against Rotherham, replacing the one already injuried. He's dealing with what is it now, ELEVEN injuries? Yes, I am aware of recent results and understand the current predicament in regard to injuries. As I said Bruce has done good, and long may it continue. However, I'm still unsure if we've actually turned a corner, or if it's just a 'normal' positive reaction to the bad patch from before, which you'd expect. Also as I haven't been able to watch any of our recent wins, I'm unable to comment if real progress has occurred or not. From a results perspective it's of course obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted March 12, 2017 Visiting Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I'm not being funny, genuinely, but it's 4 wins out of 5 and one unlucky defeat. They don't have to all be 'tactical masterstroke' victories, sometimes getting it right from the very start and keeping plugging away is more than good enough. Lost two left wingers against Rotherham, replacing the one already injuried. He's dealing with what is it now, ELEVEN injuries? The injuries may just have worked in Bruce's favour. With less players to choose from it has stopped his tinkering and as a consequence its starting to look like a team now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 minute ago, striker said: The injuries may just have worked in Bruce's favour. With less players to choose from it has stopped his tinkering and as a consequence its starting to look like a team now. The injuries are mostly to squad players which also is a slight consolation maybe hogan and green apart . i thiNk the fact hourihane lansbury and Jedi have now had a few games together has seen them gel and our midfield now looks decent . We have the makings of a side now having previously had a midfield as weak as piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Eastie said: The injuries are mostly to squad players which also is a slight consolation maybe hogan and green apart . i thiNk the fact hourihane lansbury and Jedi have now had a few games together has seen them gel and our midfield now looks decent . We have the makings of a side now having previously had a midfield as weak as piss. This. We have essentially our best team out there. Injuries are to average players. Happy to the kids rather than the players injured.. besides the two we lost this week and green/Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 3 hours ago, dn1982 said: At 2 nil up at home against 10 men who do you bring on Elphick who you obviously don't Rate or a young kid to get them used to the first team? I'm happy Bruce is here and I think he'll get us up next season but I'd like us to use these remaining games to do more than grind out results I'll except that next year when results will matter. I see what you mean but the kids are only on the bench through default via injuries and not on merit. In a full strength squad they wouldn't be any where near the team. If they are showing enough in the reserves (like Green) then yes, I agree, but not just as a token gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I have to say I'm impressed with the way Bruce has turned it around. So many of our managers ended up wilting under the pressure. I think we've now got a core to the team that will get us promoted next season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 So glad we stuck with him I knew he would turn it around. Even the defeat vs Huddersfield was lucky for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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