GrassyNoel Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Bold statement. Are the individual players not relevant? Marxist football! It's the future! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 The irony is before our good run we were I think 11 points above relegation, we are now 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, mykeyb said: The irony is before our good run we were I think 11 points above relegation, we are now 10. I'm not trying to be prickly but what's the irony? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: You mean, we can't play a superb, flowing possession game with 3 fit midfielders, one of them being at centre back and the other a backup player? No, what I mean ......He has had a major problem with the physicality of this team and has probably been focussed on getting that right, when he has, he moves onto the next problem.......We have had loads to fix and still do have work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Unable to watch Sheff Weds. Delighted with the results. No complaints. I do have questions though. They really are honest questions, just trying to understand when I couldn't see. If you start with a 4-3-3, persist with a 4-3-3 through a pre-match injury (Gardner for Lansbury), why do you switch to a 4-4-2 when Baker goes down? Why, when for weeks on end, our CB's couldn't defend without Jedinak providing cover for them, could they seem to work when it's Jedi and Chester. Based on the posts here, it doesn't look at all like Gardner sat in that Jedi role and covered, and to be honest, I'm not sure I've seen him play that role well. So, what was working? Again, delighted that it all worked. No complaints, I tend to be a bit analytical and want to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted March 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, srsmithusa said: Unable to watch Sheff Weds. Delighted with the results. No complaints. I do have questions though. They really are honest questions, just trying to understand when I couldn't see. If you start with a 4-3-3, persist with a 4-3-3 through a pre-match injury (Gardner for Lansbury), why do you switch to a 4-4-2 when Baker goes down? Why, when for weeks on end, our CB's couldn't defend without Jedinak providing cover for them, could they seem to work when it's Jedi and Chester. Based on the posts here, it doesn't look at all like Gardner sat in that Jedi role and covered, and to be honest, I'm not sure I've seen him play that role well. So, what was working? Again, delighted that it all worked. No complaints, I tend to be a bit analytical and want to understand. I didn't watch either but I would surmise, Jedinak is really the backbone of the team. Doesn't matter where he plays, he reads the play like no other and is able to physically impose himself into crucial positions on the pitch. But then I am Jedi's love child Edited March 12, 2017 by Villan_of_oz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 52 minutes ago, GrassyNoel said: Marxist football! It's the future! Well we all know that it is really down to the means of production so the only thing that matters is our owner- until he is overthrown by the proletariat/fans when the revolution comes. Well that is what I am hanging onto after the events of 2016. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: Unable to watch Sheff Weds. Delighted with the results. No complaints. I do have questions though. They really are honest questions, just trying to understand when I couldn't see. If you start with a 4-3-3, persist with a 4-3-3 through a pre-match injury (Gardner for Lansbury), why do you switch to a 4-4-2 when Baker goes down? Why, when for weeks on end, our CB's couldn't defend without Jedinak providing cover for them, could they seem to work when it's Jedi and Chester. Based on the posts here, it doesn't look at all like Gardner sat in that Jedi role and covered, and to be honest, I'm not sure I've seen him play that role well. So, what was working? Again,delighted that it all worked. No complaints, I tend to be a bit analytical and want to understand. Obviously can't speak for Bruce, I'd guess he stuck with the 433 despite Lansbury's injury as it has been getting results recently so he didn't want to change the team too much. Gardner has a lot more energy than Jedi, so he wasn't effectively sitting, he was pressing around the pitch more. The change in formation restricted SW, they lost momentum and where they were picking up space out wide (especially down their left), this was nullified. Jedi was winning every header, like he does when sitting in midfield, so at cb he was effectively playing the same but playing a bit deeper than normal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I've been a hater and not changed my views on his short to long term suitability but have to respect the current results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: If you start with a 4-3-3, persist with a 4-3-3 through a pre-match injury (Gardner for Lansbury), why do you switch to a 4-4-2 when Baker goes down? Because he saw an opportunity and he took it. Wednesday are a rather passive team. Tons of ability, but they don't try to impose themselves as much as others we've played recently. Bannan was their best player, but he was sitting deep a mile away from Mile, so Bruce must have seen an opportunity there to stick two up front, trust the energy in midfield and stifle the back four. We kick managers for not making those bold decisions in game. We should credit them when they do and it works. Wednesday had no answer to it, even before the red. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2017 6 hours ago, NottingVilla said: We were shit again by all accounts and got lucky with a homer ref. Why doesn't this surprise me? You are way to early for this. April 1st is over 2 weeks away yet. Excellent comedy though. Well done, just peaked too soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2017 4 hours ago, dn1982 said: Your whole point was the impact Hutton had. The change in system made the impact. No matter who came on it would've been the same. What an utter load of tripe. I have been a huge critic of Hutton. Read my comments on his thread but the reason this game went our way today is because ALAN HUTTON came on right midfield and changed the whole complexion of the game after Adomah had done almost nothing out there. He was brilliant today and he deserves every credit for his performance as does Bruce for doing what he did. I expected Elphick to come on and wondered what the hell Bruce was doing but it worked to almost perfection. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dodgyknees Posted March 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Such a weird season. The thing is, I think we all underestimate how much damage Lerner and his cronies had done to the club. Morale low throughout - not just players - and RDM wasn't the man to fix it. I think it was even a job too big for Bruce (as in - he didn't realise how bad the fit was!) but he is showing resolve and turning this ship, slowly but surely, in the right direction. I don't agree with all his decisions, I think he makes odd choices and I think he has been a cause in our poor form sometimes - but the way he has turned that bad form into the past 5 games is a really good sign. when he was appointed I said we will have a bad run and need to stick with him, and I almost have in! But there are real signs that the players are learning how to play with each other and it might not be pretty sometimes, but the stronger and more confident we get, the better we will become. And just try to stop that boulder once it has momentum p.s, I love my club and it's good to feel that winning feeling more often! Edited March 12, 2017 by DK82 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I'm not trying to be prickly but what's the irony? It's like rain on your wedding day which is not Ironic unless you are a weather forecaster, etc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 12, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2017 4 hours ago, dn1982 said: Your whole point was the impact Hutton had. The change in system made the impact. No matter who came on it would've been the same. I'd disagree with this - Hutton had an impact before he even touched the ball, it was a strange substitution - in the ground it felt like we were bringing Messi on, I had to check twice in case he was behind Hutton. There was a noticeable change in the atmosphere - he came on to a hero's welcome - it put the frighteners on Wednesday and filled him with confidence. It was odd, but it happened, and it changed the game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mammoth10 Posted March 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: What an utter load of tripe. I have been a huge critic of Hutton. Read my comments on his thread but the reason this game went our way today is because ALAN HUTTON came on right midfield and changed the whole complexion of the game after Adomah had done almost nothing out there. He was brilliant today and he deserves every credit for his performance as does Bruce for doing what he did. I expected Elphick to come on and wondered what the hell Bruce was doing but it worked to almost perfection. Was an interesting one cos it seemed initially that Bree went RM and Hutton slotted in as usual but then it just randomly changed, and worked! For all Alberts huffing and puffing out side we did suddenly become more effective, I'd add that that was also Albert being more effective up front/free role... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dodgyknees Posted March 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said: I'd disagree with this - Hutton had an impact before he even touched the ball, it was a strange substitution - in the ground it felt like we were bringing Messi on, I had to check twice in case he was behind Hutton. There was a noticeable change in the atmosphere - he came on to a hero's welcome - it put the frighteners on Wednesday and filled him with confidence. It was odd, but it happened, and it changed the game. Hutton has upped his game and I think the fans have helped. Hope they realise what power we have now, by getting behind players. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mammoth10 Posted March 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2017 Just now, DK82 said: Hutton has upped his game and I think the fans have helped. Hope they realise what power we have now, by getting behind players. Would add that players earn the right to be supported through effort to be fair...as Hutton has. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 hours ago, TRO said: No, what I mean ......He has had a major problem with the physicality of this team and has probably been focussed on getting that right, when he has, he moves onto the next problem.......We have had loads to fix and still do have work to do. I was agreeing with you mate, sarcasm isn't so effective on the net 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 minute ago, kurtsimonw said: I was agreeing with you mate, sarcasm isn't so effective on the net Sorry.....yeah it's hard to pick up with no body language or expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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