Steve Bruce

[Vive_La_Villa]

10 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

This again, you are correct.

IF we delve into the footballing twilight zone where the only choices are Bruce, (The past failing managers you have mentioned which literally have zero leverage in the discussion), Klopp or Guardiola, Bruce looks realistic/good.

Problem is we live in the real world where there are literally hundreds if not thousands of modern managers who could do a better job with the resources Bruce has had at his disposal.

Which leads me to repeating my old line "Take the 6 managers which have been promoted over the past 2 seasons for example, simply as a starting point".

4 or 5 of them from arguably smaller teams too!

This is one of those horrendous excuses/arguments which keeps raring its head.

It’s bizarre. The only one that is as bad is if it wasn’t for Bruce we would have done a Sunderland! 

[AvfcRigo82]

1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said:

I came so close to liking this but as per the post you replied to, those subtle (or perhaps, not so subtle) undertones just shine through again.

'followers of Bruce', 'dinosaur eggs'

It's like people literally cannot help themselves.

You'll live.

[Sadken79]

Bruce will get the chop there is no doubt about that. My only concern is they'll leave it to late with to many points to make up. Come the end of the season we will all be saying "if only they brought the new manager in sooner". Needs doing now or it's championship football again next season. I'm not saying a new manager would get us promoted (I know that's not a given) but I am saying Steve Bruce won't. 

[sheepyvillian]

10 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

If you don't like it, don't read it or better still, ignore it perhaps.  

 

Good here, init ?

[Hoof hearted]

3 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said:

I came so close to liking this but as per the post you replied to, those subtle (or perhaps, not so subtle) undertones just shine through again.

'followers of Bruce', 'dinosaur eggs'

It's like people literally cannot help themselves.

You have to give us a little rope to hang ourselves with fella.

Not sure what we're meant to call them, Bremainers? Brellends!? 

[TheStagMan]

7 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said:

No, it's just downright disrespectful.

I mean shit, if he's a moron with the career he's had it speaks volumes for the rest of us doesn't it?!

Speak for yourself

[TheStagMan]

5 hours ago, villabromsgrove said:

 

So .... who do we want for the Villa manager's job .... Parmenides or Heraclitus?

Which one of them will play players in their natural positions?

[Keyblade]

5 hours ago, sne said:

Winning the battle but losing the war pretty much.

For me it's all about long term success (as in getting the h**l out of this league) and I don't see us doing that under Bruce.

And that's been the same since after that horrid spell in January 2016. After that I've been convinced we won't do it under him.

Now as much as I enjoy us winning on a fairly regular basis, in the end it means f all if we don't get promoted.

Especially since I don't enjoy watching the type of football we serve up on a fairly regular basis.

 

Exactly where I'm at.

[sheepyvillian]

11 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

If you don't like it, don't read it or better still, ignore it perhaps.  

 

You wasn't the only one to miss it, Rigo. What time's the next one due ?

[sheepyvillian]

12 hours ago, lexicon said:

We haven't had an attractive playing style for over 20 years, more or less. 

There's a point.

[sheepyvillian]

51 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

Exactly where I'm at.

You don't mind if I get in the queue ?

[gaffer85]

9 hours ago, PussEKatt said:

I must be missing something here.Our last 5 managers have been McStupid ( who was pathetic ) P.Lambert ( who was only a little bit better ) Tim Sherwood ( who got us to the FA cup where we got thrashed ) Remi Garde ( who threw up when he realised what was needed ) Di Mateo ( who spent bucket loads of $$$ for players like Richards and McCormack ) and now we have Bruce ( who has got the dressing room together,has got us playing some decent football and got us to a play off spot last term ) and we are slagging him off.The above list does not include our tempory managers, like Eric Black. 

You have to realise that we are not hoing to get a Guardiola or a Klopp and reading the above, Bruce looks quite good to me.
I have to add that he is not my favourite choice as manager but you have to cut your cloth etc.

I'm sorry but rdm was bad enough without lumping Richard's on him that was sherwoods baby

[DaveAV1]

7 hours ago, srsmithusa said:

Parmenides had a terrible record in the Greek league which only has one real team.  And Heraclitus will never come here, you’re dreaming. 

I’m not so sure an ambulance driver would make a good manager. 

[Ingram85]

Hairy Clitoris? Very much stuck in the 70’s, much like our managers tactics. Funny someone mentioning Eric Black also, he’s a massive clearing too. 

Edited September 7, 2018 by Ingram85

[sheepyvillian]

13 hours ago, Sadken79 said:

Bruce will get the chop there is no doubt about that. My only concern is they'll leave it to late with to many points to make up. Come the end of the season we will all be saying "if only they brought the new manager in sooner". Needs doing now or it's championship football again next season. I'm not saying a new manager would get us promoted (I know that's not a given) but I am saying Steve Bruce won't. 

And you then get accused of being happy to state that opinion.

[Dave J]

18 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said:

I think, with all due respect guys, you probably don't see what I and a few others see in these posts because it largely aligns with the narrative you've bought into.

Its often subtle but it's always there, you only have to look at how many other threads get hijacked by a SB out debate to know this. 

Just today, there have been posts suggesting that the non-signing of a CB can only mean one of two things, both options were derogatory and/or sinister, as though they are the only two possible options. 

Then there's people hoping we don't sign Terry (despite the fact it would almost certainly benefit the club) on the basis that it would aid the Manager. 

It's not one or two people, it's all day every day and has been for a long time, I just don't think you see it because it feeds into what you want to see. 

Tis my view. 

It's a forum - what do you want /expect? I would imagine VT delight in this thread.

We all come here for a little light relief from the hum drum of a working day so to speak.

The managerial position will almost certainly generate the highest number of posts - I want him gone asap ( today would be just fine thanks)  but I have no problem reading your constant support of Bruce and others for this matter - I just don't understand why?

But nevertheless it makes VT go round 

[blandy]

On 07/09/2018 at 12:13, villabromsgrove said:

I believed that Bruce was out dated and past his best when he was appointed in October 2016, even though I understood the need for a 'ship steadying' management appointment. He has stubbornly refused (or been unable) to move with the changed  landscape of the Championship, and is still trying to prove that his way is the right way for Villa. Here in September 2018 he is no longer "a good manager at this level", he's inadequate and is becoming the problem, rather than the problem solver (in my opinion).

This, this, and then some more of this. 100% the limitations of his management methods and style have been completely exposed. Where he’s good is in his rapport and relationships with players, media too and also fans generally like him as a bloke. He’s determined, committed and works hard, he’s a good egg.

But, I go back to when he was at Sunderland and something that really stuck in my mind from that time. He was being interviewed after a game. He looked really ill, he was puffy faced, bloated, very red and looked like a prime candidate for a heart attack or stroke, which was alarming and concerning. Putting that together with the longer record of his teams being at best “functional” in style and exhibiting not the slightest sign of being able to adjust to circumstances, or disruption, just led me to think that Villa was not a good match, or vice versa, perhaps. There have been some highlights of course and probably more lowlights, but there has never looked like being anything that’s the seeds of something to come, the start of a renewal. He’s been excellent with Jack, but then Sherwood was too, and he’s no manager.

Bruce did his best, didn’t get us up and under normal circumstances should have been gone in the summer. He hung around one way or another, but he’s clearly in the last chance saloon this season. I’d love to be proved wrong, but he’s never gonna get us up and never was likely to. The best chance has gone. He’s done “OK”. not terrible, not great, just ok. Stabilised and turned round the club, but he’s still scattergun, like the team, from one week to the next. There’s always a visible flaw, a crack that everyone can see will widen and fracture, the reliance on one or two players, the reliance on “hopefully someone will do something” rather than being set up so everyone does something collectively, under a coached , practised, ingrained reflexive way of playing.

What’s he built?

[peterms]

18 minutes ago, blandy said:

What’s he built?

It's a work in progress.

[Jareth]

Well with Terry off to Russia then you wonder if the owners have completely snubbed Bruce. Perhaps Bruce's days are more numbered than it seems. 

[AshVilla]

1 minute ago, Jareth said:

Well with Terry off to Russia then you wonder if the owners have completely snubbed Bruce. Perhaps Bruce's days are more numbered than it seems. 

I'm sure he and his media chums will have a list of excuses written ready.