TheStagMan Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Why do the only two options have to be sinister? We know we tried to sign a CB, we also know that nothing is certain with transfers, ask Spurs. Being a moron isn't sinister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: They didn't. Can you just pm them and call them doodie heads or something to get it out of your system? Everyone for the past 5 pages has said that you are not describing them, so why keep regaling us with the sins of others who aren’t reading this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villabromsgrove Posted September 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Firstly I never said anything about liking or disliking him as a person. None of us know him as a person. it has nothing to do with it. Secondly, you said No I don't. I said that SOME posters don't give him praise. I made no sweeping generalisations about people who want Bruce out. Again, and I don't know how I can make this any clearer, I WANT BRUCE OUT. I am a "Bruce Outer" if you want to give it a cringey nickname. As for your final question no you haven't got it right. My entire point is this: Wanting Bruce out is not Binary. It can go from a scale of something like "on the fence but just swaying into wanting him gone territory", to "want him gone with no question regardless of any consequences. Out out out get him out at all costs". Just because I want him out and avfcrigo wants him out for example, doesn't mean we share the same opinion except for that one very specific question. I think most people acknowledge that even though Bruce should go, he does some good things, some bad things, some excellent things, some terrible things. He's human.Personally I think the guy is obviously a good manager at this level. He's been left behind slightly by the game and he's not as effective as he used to be. He SHOULD have got us promoted last season, and despite serving up a very enjoyable season (imo), ultimately it wasn't good enough and I think we should have got someone else in to have a go (financial issues aside, that complicates things) He's still here which is not what I want, but if he is here for the season I think we'll have a decent go at promotion but ultimately fall short again. Some people may be more critical of him than that, some people less so. HOWEVER, I think there are some posters/fans who want Bruce out so badly that they turn every thing the manager does into a negative. Everything he says is bad, everything he does is bad. Every goal scored is luck, every goal conceded is Bruce's fault. Every good signing wasn't him, every bad signing was him. Every player that improves was a coincidence, every player that deteriorates is bruce's bad coaching. Every good bit of football is down to the players and not the manager, every bad bit of football is down to Bruceball. They treat bruce as if he is clueless. As if he doesn't have a clue how to be a manager. They exaggerate every negative to the point where if you read this thread you'd think we finished last season bottom. It's these latter posters that I have a problem with. That's a well written explanation of where you're at, and I respect your views even though they differ from mine. I've bolded a line that I disagree with. I believed that Bruce was out dated and past his best when he was appointed in October 2016, even though I understood the need for a 'ship steadying' management appointment. He has stubbornly refused (or been unable) to move with the changed landscape of the Championship, and is still trying to prove that his way is the right way for Villa. Here in September 2018 he is no longer "a good manager at this level", he's inadequate and is becoming the problem, rather than the problem solver (in my opinion). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: I must be missing something here.Our last 5 managers have been McStupid ( who was pathetic ) P.Lambert ( who was only a little bit better ) Tim Sherwood ( who got us to the FA cup where we got thrashed ) Remi Garde ( who threw up when he realised what was needed ) Di Mateo ( who spent bucket loads of $$$ for players like Richards and McCormack ) and now we have Bruce ( who has got the dressing room together,has got us playing some decent football and got us to a play off spot last term ) and we are slagging him off.The above list does not include our tempory managers, like Eric Black. You have to realise that we are not hoing to get a Guardiola or a Klopp and reading the above, Bruce looks quite good to me. I have to add that he is not my favourite choice as manager but you have to cut your cloth etc. You'd be right to suggest that getting a good, progressive manager in, who is the right fit, is more difficult said than done. I think there's a tendency to look at the teams nailing it and to presume their managerial appointments were relatively easy without putting much thought into how it came about. We obviously see the teams doing well and think we'll have some of that—they're in the spotlight and the teams in the spotlight get all the attention but in the background there are plenty of clubs who have tried to do the same thing and got nowhere. Maybe there's more chance of ending up in the second category than the first. But that doesn't mean Bruce is the answer. For me now, it'll be interesting to see over the next few games whether we'll have any chance of promotion under Bruce this year. I'll give it three games. (RDM didn't sign Richards) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post omariqy Posted September 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2018 There's only one question to ask. Is having Bruce as our manager stopping us from being promoted? The answer is yes. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, omariqy said: There's only one question to ask. Is having Bruce as our manager stopping us from being promoted? The answer is yes. It's so blindingly simple when you put it like that! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, TheStagMan said: Being a moron isn't sinister No, it's just downright disrespectful. I mean shit, if he's a moron with the career he's had it speaks volumes for the rest of us doesn't it?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Did you know that in Welsh moron means carrott. You lot and your non sinister carrotts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, omariqy said: There's only one question to ask. Is having Bruce as our manager stopping us from being promoted? The answer is yes. I mean I’m not sure it’s the only question as having Bruce also means we will probably finish top six (I’m sure almost anyone would at least say top half) whereas someone like RDM would have got us relegated. So if he’s replaced, I hope there is a really well thought through replacement. Sacking any manager is only half the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: No, it's just downright disrespectful. I mean shit, if he's a moron with the career he's had it speaks volumes for the rest of us doesn't it?! If only our defence was as good as yours was for Bruce we wouldn't be in this situation. Bruce out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hoof hearted said: If only our defence was as good as yours was for Bruce we wouldn't be in this situation. Bruce out. Likewise, if our attack was as relentless as you we'd be winning the champions league in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted September 7, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 7, 2018 24 minutes ago, omariqy said: There's only one question to ask. Is having Bruce as our manager stopping us from being promoted? The answer is yes. /End Thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Likewise, if our attack was as relentless as you we'd be winning the champions league in May. That's the crux of the matter my man, these (lol) "attacks" are on him and not on you, don't take it so personally when we question your viewpoint, you, as I am now and then, can be wrong sometimes you know, it's OK to fail, which is exactly the message our board(s) have sent out for the last 10 years or so with the shower of shithouses who've managed us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: I mean I’m not sure it’s the only question as having Bruce also means we will probably finish top six (I’m sure almost anyone would at least say top half) whereas someone like RDM would have got us relegated. So if he’s replaced, I hope there is a really well thought through replacement. Sacking any manager is only half the story. This is where you'd hope our board earn their coin. I have more confidence in this one getting it right than the previous incumbents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, Hoof hearted said: That's the crux of the matter my man, these (lol) "attacks" are on him and not on you, don't take it so personally when we question your viewpoint, you, as I am now and then, can be wrong sometimes you know, it's OK to fail, which is exactly the message our board(s) have sent out for the last 10 years or so with the shower of shithouses who've managed us. I don't take it personally chief, and even if I did I'm made of sterner stuff than to get 'upset' about it, frustrating maybe, but not taking anything to heart I know I can be wrong, I've been wrong as many times as I've been right and probably more in truth, that doesn't mean I won't stand up for what I believe in - which, incidentally is not Bruce but rather some semblance of a balanced and reasonable debate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted September 7, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: Why do the only two options have to be sinister? We know we tried to sign a CB, we also know that nothing is certain with transfers, ask Spurs. Spurs, as far as know, didn't loan out a player that plays in the position they are weakest in either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted September 7, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I don't take it personally chief, and even if I did I'm made of sterner stuff than to get 'upset' about it, frustrating maybe, but not taking anything to heart I know I can be wrong, I've been wrong as many times as I've been right and probably more in truth, that doesn't mean I won't stand up for what I believe in - which, incidentally is not Bruce but rather some semblance of a balanced and reasonable debate. Here mate, I'm not on the wind up I promise. The point a lot of us is trying to make is that we think the majority of punters on here do have a reasonable and balanced debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) I believe there were 2 maybe 3 posters out of hundreds that visit Villatalk that down voted Bruce after we played well and won. So it’s not correct to suggest fans weren’t happy when we played well and won just because of their hatred of Bruce. Its literally a couple of people. Edited September 7, 2018 by Vive_La_Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheStagMan said: Being a moron isn't sinister Edited September 7, 2018 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, PussEKatt said: I must be missing something here.Our last 5 managers have been McStupid ( who was pathetic ) P.Lambert ( who was only a little bit better ) Tim Sherwood ( who got us to the FA cup where we got thrashed ) Remi Garde ( who threw up when he realised what was needed ) Di Mateo ( who spent bucket loads of $$$ for players like Richards and McCormack ) and now we have Bruce ( who has got the dressing room together,has got us playing some decent football and got us to a play off spot last term ) and we are slagging him off.The above list does not include our tempory managers, like Eric Black. You have to realise that we are not hoing to get a Guardiola or a Klopp and reading the above, Bruce looks quite good to me. I have to add that he is not my favourite choice as manager but you have to cut your cloth etc. So again we should be happy with Bruce because the managers before him were so bad? Never really liked this stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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