Condimentalist Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, macandally said: No, the more I watch us, the more I see Hull, Wigan and the Noses. Tactically inept, static and reliant on individual flashes of brilliance to scrape results. If that is what constitutes "winning football" then do enjoy I don't really enjoy it - I actually think that we should do a Southampton if we go up and make a change in the summer when our options would be better. But for the immediate task of getting us up we're best off holding our noses to the quality of play and grinding out the wins we need to get us back up - because if it doesn't happen this season it could be some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 8 hours ago, Grasshopper said: My last years Autumn Holiday resulted in RDM being sacked. I'm off on holiday tomorrow, so I'll see this thread when I get back. Hopefully @TrentVilla has moved it to other football Any chance you are off to Portugal? If you are relaxing at the pool, and you see Steve Bruce in the deck chair beside you, then big ups to you, your cunning plan worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 29 minutes ago, AJ said: Any chance you are off to Portugal? If you are relaxing at the pool, and you see Steve Bruce in the deck chair beside you, then big ups to you, your cunning plan worked. no sorry Portugal last year, this year South of France (Cote Azur) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 1 hour ago, PatrickCousens said: I don't really enjoy it - I actually think that we should do a Southampton if we go up and make a change in the summer when our options would be better. But for the immediate task of getting us up we're best off holding our noses to the quality of play and grinding out the wins we need to get us back up - because if it doesn't happen this season it could be some time. But why do you think "holding our noses" is the best way to go up? Isn't that an oxymoron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 2 hours ago, TRO said: Sheepy....That is a desperate shout, if I may say so. The throw-ins you may have a point, but lets stay positive ay! Is that an unintentional pun ? I do hope so . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 As I don't think Bruce is going to get sacked any time soon, i will take the 'only results matter' route and pray we continue to improve and build confidence. Doesn't mean i like the way we play or really think Bruce is the right man for the job, but i just can't take another manager coming in and ripping up the team and starting again using the excuse 'this is not his team' as we miss even a play off place again. Bruce has the right players now and they are fit, there are no excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 12 hours ago, VillaCas said: This is flawed logic and missing the big picture - what's actually important is winning ENOUGH games to gain promotion - some, like you apparently, think Bruce can deliver that. Some, like me, think not and some like me don't know, but willing to wait and see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 16 hours ago, Dick said: If only the manager chose positivity first. ssssnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 3 hours ago, srsmithusa said: excluding last year, of course. ha ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 36 minutes ago, TRO said: and some like me don't know, but willing to wait and see And some like me, who would rather we have changed months ago but have no choice but to wait and see. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Dave J said: So surely we should cut and run now then ? I don’t think we should mate, because not being settled and prepared for the Prem is a fruitless quest imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I honestly don’t care about the football for now - just get us out of this shitty league. Let’s worry about football when we are back where we belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 7 hours ago, wiggyrichard said: I don’t think we should mate, because not being settled and prepared for the Prem is a fruitless quest imo You think we are settled and prepared for the prem now? Really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted September 25, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) I do not like Bruce as a manager, never have. However the reality is that as long as we're in with a shout of the play offs (or better) he is staying. I am happy that for now we are playing 4-4-2 but as the game against Forest showed we still have big problems keeping the ball and we are far rom being able to dominate games. Edited September 25, 2017 by MikeMcKenna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted September 25, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) Delete Edited September 25, 2017 by MikeMcKenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 25, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2017 I'm not sure I'm as happy with the 4-4-2 as a lot of other people seem to me. Just because we're playing two strikers doesn't mean we're playing more attacking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 17 hours ago, Keyblade said: He's been in charge for 44 games already. We've had many similar 'promotion form' runs in those 43 games, and it got us nowhere near actual promotion. So I'm not sure why this one's supposed to be different. It's not about going on little unbeaten runs here and there, it's about sustaining that form throughout an entire season. And he's not going to do it for 2 reasons: 1: He's already had roughly a full season in charge, accumulating 65 points in the process. That wouldn't even be enough for 9th place. So no, far from promotion form. 2. The type of football he plays means he just can't produce consistent results over a prolonged period of time. You just don't get promoted playing hit and hope football. It's not even hoofball with a purpose a la Allardyce or Pulis. You might luck into a couple of brief runs here and there but it simply won't last. You can't hope your way into promotion I'm afraid. My rationale is, I have no confidence that he will get us promoted, given the ample amount of evidence he provided, even though I really thought he was the man to do it at first. So why stick with him? Sacking a manager when the team is in good form is absurd, whether or not you think he's the right man long term. I agree with what you're saying, I don't think Steve Bruce is right for us, his football is largely dull and I have my doubts as to whether he'll manage to get us promoted this season, but we're in good form. (As an aside, using last season as a barometer for the current season is daft. I think you know that really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 16 hours ago, markavfc40 said: You raise an interesting point here. At the end of this week Bruce will have managed 46 league games with us so the equivalent of a full season. If we were to get two wins this week he'd have then taken 71 points over that time. On average over the last few years you are looking at needing 75 points for a play off place and around 86 points to get top 2. If we consider that during Bruces time here we haven't played that well I think this shows two things. One that you don't have to be that good to get top 6 and also given that we all think we can play much better, including the manager, it shows that even a slight improvement would easily be good enough to see us in the play off places and it wouldn't take much to see us top 2. I think it also shows that a half decent manager would take this squad up in a canter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 11 hours ago, PatrickCousens said: I don't really enjoy it - I actually think that we should do a Southampton if we go up and make a change in the summer when our options would be better. The bloke puts 10 men behind the ball against Burton Albion, could you imagine the embarrassment of playing in the PL under Bruce? We would come straight back down with a worse points tally than Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 53 minutes ago, TheStagMan said: You think we are settled and prepared for the prem now? Really? We might be starting to.... (Yes I do realise how that sounds and yes it was intentional) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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