peterms Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Yes. But I would also say it's stupid for the head of any organisation (Ratners and Ryanair come to mind) to be disrespectful of the punters. Maybe fans shouldn't be so sensitive, but they are, especially if they feel bundled together with people who express things very aggressively or hatefully. Bruce in not in the same position, but his role and profile still require a level of tact and diplomacy that perhaps wasn't required as a centre-half. Even if he feels hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 4 hours ago, TRO said: I the interests of clarity and accuracy.....Steve Bruce has explained his target audience when exclaiming about "Mass Hysteria" He said he was referring to social Media and not the fans in the ground......He explained the fans in the ground have generally been great to me and the team. back to work Steve and don't sweat the small stuff, even if others do. just keep winning. I gave up being interested in what Steve Bruce says weeks ago. He is his own biggest fan and talks shite. He will live or die on the performance of his team, end of. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, peterms said: People communicate differently online than they do face to face. That's just what happens. It's so well-known as to be an uncontroversial observation. Shows i am from a different generation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, TRO said: Shows i am from a different generation It's really not a generational thing. It's just how we operate. It's why for example teleconferencing is difficult - we are used to adjusting what we say and how we say it in response to non-verbal cues, and so face to face communication is far more nuanced. The idea that saying things differently online than you would face to face somehow shows hypocrisy or cowardice is just plain wrong. It may also do that of course, but not in itself. It's a function of the medium. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 10 hours ago, bobzy said: Sacking a manager when the team is in good form is absurd, whether or not you think he's the right man long term. I agree with what you're saying, I don't think Steve Bruce is right for us, his football is largely dull and I have my doubts as to whether he'll manage to get us promoted this season, but we're in good form. (As an aside, using last season as a barometer for the current season is daft. I think you know that really). It's no more absurd than sticking with a man you have no faith in whatsoever and who has displayed diddly squat ability thus far to convince me he can turn this tanker around. Clearly he's not going anywhere anytime soon - and that could mean too little too late for someone else 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Dave J said: It's no more absurd than sticking with a man you have no faith in whatsoever and who has displayed diddly squat ability thus far to convince me he can turn this tanker around. Clearly he's not going anywhere anytime soon - and that could mean too little too late for someone else Yes. What is absurd is deciding game by game whether to change a manager, as though you're playing roulette and deciding between red and black. What an arse an owner would have to be to work like that. The decision has to be a strategic one, not something based on a whim, the wind direction, the last match, or what someone last said to you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I think Bruce has always gone out of his way to praise the fans especially the ones who actually turn up at the matches. All a bit of a storm in a teacup. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, peterms said: It's really not a generational thing. It's just how we operate. It's why for example teleconferencing is difficult - we are used to adjusting what we say and how we say it in response to non-verbal cues, and so face to face communication is far more nuanced. The idea that saying things differently online than you would face to face somehow shows hypocrisy or cowardice is just plain wrong. It may also do that of course, but not in itself. It's a function of the medium. Whilst I think you're right, it's hard to deny TRO is knocking on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Just now, DaveAV1 said: Whilst I think you're right, it's hard to deny TRO is knocking on Said the man in the glass house! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, sne said: Bruce spends a lot of time on social media does he? He's come a long way from the guy who when he was at Sunderland admitted he didn't even know how to log on to the computer. His son is a twitterer as some Villa fans found out last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Whilst I think you're right, it's hard to deny TRO is knocking on I'm part of the thigh-deep-in-the-grave contingent myself... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 6 hours ago, dn1982 said: You are aware that those in the ground are the same on social media? I'd even say those that go the games see 1st hand the crap he's been serving up. If you went to Reading and watched the game and then listened to Bruce after you'd realise he's appealing to the masses and not the ones who go. Bruce should stop mentioning it. He is underacheiving. If he loses the next 2 he'll have roughly the record of the bloke he replaced so he should be under pressure. We were 10 pts off 6 th when he came and couldn't make it up. We need to be in and around promotion all year and if we aren't he will be under scrutiny. Instead of alienating fans he should be drumming up support. Our crowds are awful because the football is. Let's get in the playoffs and start talking positively about going up. Let's start playing positively to get the buzz back at Villa Park. There's "scrutiny", which, if done sensibly, factually and constructively, is legitimate, Then there is a constant chorus of how he is a "dinoasur", will never get us promoted, should be sacked immediately if we are to have a hope of surviving. And, worse, there is hoping we will lose matches so he will be sacked. That is all out of order in my view. It has been the dominant voice on Villatalk for months, and I guess other internet sites that I don't look at. I think Bruce has every right to criticise that sort of nonsense - it would be an odd sort of world where people could hurl abuse at him on social media and he wasn't allowed to comment. Whenever he criticises the hysteria on social media I nod in agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, briny_ear said: There's "scrutiny", which, if done sensibly, factually and constructively, is legitimate, Then there is a constant chorus of how he is a "dinoasur", will never get us promoted, should be sacked immediately if we are to have a hope of surviving. And, worse, there is hoping we will lose matches so he will be sacked. That is all out of order in my view. It has been the dominant voice on Villatalk for months, and I guess other internet sites that I don't look at. I think Bruce has every right to criticise that sort of nonsense - it would be an odd sort of world where people could hurl abuse at him on social media and he wasn't allowed to comment. Whenever he criticises the hysteria on social media I nod in agreement. Don't just focus on comments on internet sites. I believe that no home gate this season has equalled the average of last season. People are choosing not to attend. If I were the owner, that would concern me greatly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 35 minutes ago, peterms said: I'm part of the thigh-deep-in-the-grave contingent myself... Like I say I'm sitting in a glass house throwing rocks around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashingqwerty Posted September 25, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2017 I dont see anything on the pitch that changes my opinion on SB We are still playing poorly and are scoring with either individual moments of brilliance or luck. For someone to suggest that we are 'in good form' on the pitch (by which i mean in team performance) is severely wide of the mark, and 2 wins with 4 draws does nothing for me to mask how bad we have performed as a unit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 True. We may have had some good results, but our performances have been poor. Over a season, that will mean that we could just as easily lose as many as we win. Performances simply must improve, over to you Steve Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Not once , after any of our victories under Bruce, have I felt like , yeah finally , things seem to be clicking into place . And considering how long he has now been in charge, it seems to feel like it's not ever going to click ,again ,I hope I'm wrong . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Not once , after any of our victories under Bruce, have I felt like , yeah finally , things seem to be clicking into place . And considering how long he has now been in charge, it seems to feel like it's not ever going to click ,again ,I hope I'm wrong . Quite. Most managers have their teams in the promotion places within a few weeks of joining a new club. What the hell is wrong with Bruce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 4 hours ago, peterms said: It's really not a generational thing. It's just how we operate. It's why for example teleconferencing is difficult - we are used to adjusting what we say and how we say it in response to non-verbal cues, and so face to face communication is far more nuanced. The idea that saying things differently online than you would face to face somehow shows hypocrisy or cowardice is just plain wrong. It may also do that of course, but not in itself. It's a function of the medium. That may be an opinion that is not shared by all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Quite. Most managers have their teams in the promotion places within a few weeks of joining a new club. What the hell is wrong with Bruce? He has been here for many months - not a few weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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