KHV Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 It doesn't make any difference if the club says they are not selling. If the player wants to go the move will happen. Players and agents are usually able to engineer moves away from lesser clubs. Especially ones in the second tier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, KHV said: It doesn't make any difference if the club says they are not selling. If the player wants to go the move will happen. Players and agents are usually able to engineer moves away from lesser clubs. Especially ones in the second tier. True. If he really want's to leave, he'll get his move. All we can do is make sure we get as much money as possible for him. Keeping an disgruntled, unhappy player is not a good option. (Not saying Amavi is or will be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, sne said: True. If he really want's to leave, he'll get his move. All we can do is make sure we get as much money as possible for him. Keeping an disgruntled, unhappy player is not a good option. (Not saying Amavi is or will be) Unless its about more than just this player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, sne said: True. If he really want's to leave, he'll get his move. All we can do is make sure we get as much money as possible for him. Keeping an disgruntled, unhappy player is not a good option. (Not saying Amavi is or will be) Depends on who comes in for him. If Klopp comes in for him we won't keep hold of him for sure. I wouldn't blame him either, I think most footballers would jump at the chance of playing for Klopp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Ran out of likes A lot to like in thus thread especially Dr Big Bollox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 6 hours ago, KHV said: It doesn't make any difference if the club says they are not selling. If the player wants to go the move will happen. Players and agents are usually able to engineer moves away from lesser clubs. Especially ones in the second tier. TBF this logic dictates that Tony should have accepted £25 million for him. I think our Tone is ripping up the rule book, basicially because he is stinking filthy rich. Amavi will have to be sold with 12 months on his contract, but not a moment before if the owner chooses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 28, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2016 20 minutes ago, Jareth said: TBF this logic dictates that Tony should have accepted £25 million for him. I think our Tone is ripping up the rule book, basicially because he is stinking filthy rich. What about if Steve Bruce said "I do not want to sell him, we need him to stay to help out chances of promotion"? What about if he's thinking, well, if the player wants to go, then I need to talk up the asking price, by mentioning a (real or imaginary) if of 25 million? - those things/tactics are and have been commonplace in football for ages. The only new thing is using twitter instead of a favoured hack to get the message out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 53 minutes ago, blandy said: What about if Steve Bruce said "I do not want to sell him, we need him to stay to help out chances of promotion"? What about if he's thinking, well, if the player wants to go, then I need to talk up the asking price, by mentioning a (real or imaginary) if of 25 million? - those things/tactics are and have been commonplace in football for ages. The only new thing is using twitter instead of a favoured hack to get the message out there. For sure, why not, we can all only guess. I'm looking at Tony and see a young rich successful business man who has walked into English football promising to return Villa to the upper echelons and so far there isn't one action on his part that has me thinking anything else. Turning down this offer for Amavi, tweeting about it then only months later selling Amavi would be completely counter productive and would lose a lot of faith - which is why I don't think he is playing by the established rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 9 hours ago, sne said: True. If he really want's to leave, he'll get his move. All we can do is make sure we get as much money as possible for him. Keeping an disgruntled, unhappy player is not a good option. (Not saying Amavi is or will be) good job he is not playing for Albion then......Berinho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, TRO said: good job he is not playing for Albion then......Berinho Yeah, that really didn't work out for anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Jareth said: For sure, why not, we can all only guess. I'm looking at Tony and see a young rich successful business man who has walked into English football promising to return Villa to the upper echelons and so far there isn't one action on his part that has me thinking anything else. Turning down this offer for Amavi, tweeting about it then only months later selling Amavi would be completely counter productive and would lose a lot of faith - which is why I don't think he is playing by the established rule book. Don't get too precious about what he says.....Thats not me suggesting to disbelieve him or disrespect him.....He is a player, he plays the media, he is an intellect. He is a dealer, he is a wily fox......I think for once we have someone who knows what he is doing and a bunch around him who do too....they talk to each other, which is novel for us. I would not want to predict, what he will do......but I would safely say.....There is a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 9 hours ago, KHV said: Depends on who comes in for him. If Klopp comes in for him we won't keep hold of him for sure. I wouldn't blame him either, I think most footballers would jump at the chance of playing for Klopp. Benteke would do more of a crab walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 He gets told "NO, we want you & we need you" Gets his head together plays well we get promoted everybody happy. Causes a stink - 25mill and you can have him - F*** o** cash only in 1 payment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2016 I would sell amavi if we had a £15m offer. Turning down £25m is plain crazy. He really isn't that good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Just now, sidcow said: I would sell amavi if we had a £15m offer. Turning down £25m is plain crazy. He really isn't that good. I think he will be in the future, he is still only 22 years old and has had a serious injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I think he will be in the future, he is still only 22 years old and has had a serious injury But we are, regardless of how much money Tony has, knocking on the FFP ceiling. We could get a new left back, new right back and new midfield who are all good enough to get promoted out of this league for £25m with no net change to our position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, sidcow said: But we are, regardless of how much money Tony has, knocking on the FFP ceiling. We could get a new left back, new right back and new midfield who are all good enough to get promoted out of this league for £25m with no net change to our position. You can't just keep selling your better players and replacing them with inferior players because of FFP. That's exactly how we ended up down here! If you don't think he's one of our better players, fine. But to advocate selling him for the reasons you've given is foolish. IMO. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post a m ole Posted December 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2016 can't wait to go down Villa Park to watch Cissokho shin the ball around the pitch, safe in the knowledge that there's £25m sat in a Villa bank account somewhere while clubs with decent left backs reject all our offers. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godders Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 25 minutes ago, sidcow said: But we are, regardless of how much money Tony has, knocking on the FFP ceiling. Source to back this up please? I'm sure the club said recently in a fan forum that we had no FFP issues this season at all, and should be fine next season as well if we don't go up. Has that now changed and I've missed it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: You can't just keep selling your better players and replacing them with inferior players because of FFP. That's exactly how we ended up down here! If you don't think he's one of our better players, fine. But to advocate selling him for the reasons you've given is foolish. IMO. Yes, I think he's overrated. But regardless if we can get 3 players good enough to get us promoted then it's foolish not to. Our aim is promotion, nothing else at this point. I have yet to see anything from Amavi to suggest he will be irreplaceable or indeed essential if we get to the PL. Kodjia is probably an essential player I would say at present as he has scored the goals. Baker and Chester are essential. Anyone else I would take the money if it is stupid enough to easily enable us to get in someone more than capable of doing the job we need plus some additional cash for strengthening elsewhere. Our past problems were not so much about selling our best players, but selling our best players and buying woeful replacements. Edited December 28, 2016 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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