KHV Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 No loss at all. Poor player bought at a time when we were signing cheap crap from anywhere we could get it. Totally anonymous 99% of the time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 58 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: No he doesn't. Yes he does. He has a tremendous amount of skill and creativity. He's dynamic, quick thinking, forward thinking, has excellent vision and can score. He has never been given an extended run in the number 10 position and we have lacked quality in midfield and attack to allow him to develop in that role. I don't think he lacks physicality for a number 10. With a more physical and attacking midfield and capable strikers he would flourish. If physicality were an issue it's something that can be worked on but is certainly not a good enough reason for letting him go considering his overall quality. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, Michael118 said: Yes he does. He has a tremendous amount of skill and creativity. He's dynamic, quick thinking, forward thinking, has excellent vision and can score. He has never been given an extended run in the number 10 position and we have lacked quality in midfield and attack to allow him to develop in that role. I don't think he lacks physicality for a number 10. With a more physical and attacking midfield and capable strikers he would flourish. If physicality were an issue it's something that can be worked on but is certainly not a good enough reason for letting him go considering his overall quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Michael118 said: He's dynamic, quick thinking, forward thinking, has excellent vision and can score. I don't think I have ever seen any of this from him other than the odd good goal. Every time he gets the ball he lays it off instantly to a very safe option. He never took risks, he never used his "excellent vision" and was anything but forward thinking imo. A player like Grealish will get the ball in spaces and turn to try and make something happen. Gil did not do this, he kept coming deep to just lay it off back to Westwood or whoever. I appreciate there's an argument stating that if players in front of you don't pick up space then there's little chance to create something, but I didn't even see that intent from Gil when he did receive the ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyC Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Michael118 said: Yes he does. He has a tremendous amount of skill and creativity. He's dynamic, quick thinking, forward thinking, has excellent vision and can score. He has never been given an extended run in the number 10 position and we have lacked quality in midfield and attack to allow him to develop in that role. I don't think he lacks physicality for a number 10. With a more physical and attacking midfield and capable strikers he would flourish. If physicality were an issue it's something that can be worked on but is certainly not a good enough reason for letting him go considering his overall quality. Classic Gil over hype. He did a few nice things here and there but overall he was poor. His good moments were exaggerated by the amount of crap the rest of the team were serving up, he wouldn't get into a prem team. Good luck to him but no great loss to us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccfcman Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, Michael118 said: Yes he does. He has a tremendous amount of skill and creativity. He's dynamic, quick thinking, forward thinking, has excellent vision and can score. He has never been given an extended run in the number 10 position and we have lacked quality in midfield and attack to allow him to develop in that role. I don't think he lacks physicality for a number 10. With a more physical and attacking midfield and capable strikers he would flourish. If physicality were an issue it's something that can be worked on but is certainly not a good enough reason for letting him go considering his overall quality. Is that you Carles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Probably a decent player in there somewhere. Never saw much of it myself, but as others have said I don't think this league is for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Three or four Villa managers thought he wasn't good enough including RDM our current manager. Thats good enough for me to say he obviously isn't good enough for the Championship or the Villa team being built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Would have loved to see him find his feet in England in the Championship but all the best to him . Favorite thing about him was that he played every game like it was his debut and always had a smile on his face where other players would have been sulky for being on the bench for the majority of 2 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisvilla4 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I really like Gil and I hoped he would become the attacking, skilful, flair player that we have been crying out for. This hasn't happened for a variety of reasons and I doubt it will happen here (or at another club) IMO. Best for him to go and start afresh somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sharkyvilla Posted July 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, PieFacE said: I don't think I have ever seen any of this from him other than the odd good goal. Every time he gets the ball he lays it off instantly to a very safe option. He never took risks, he never used his "excellent vision" and was anything but forward thinking imo. A player like Grealish will get the ball in spaces and turn to try and make something happen. Gil did not do this, he kept coming deep to just lay it off back to Westwood or whoever. I appreciate there's an argument stating that if players in front of you don't pick up space then there's little chance to create something, but I didn't even see that intent from Gil when he did receive the ball. I think back to the Leicester away game where Gil and Grealish were both doing it in the same match and we were better than them. We lost and they barely, if at all, got picked in the same team again. There were other times like when we played Spurs in the game after Tactics Tim got the Jill n Jack and Gil came off the bench and looked twice as creative as anyone else on the park and there are videos of his creativity against Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal as well. Of course he had poor games too but I'd like to see what he could do this season where hopefully we'd be on the front foot a lot more than we were last year. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Mostly he was poor. But the main point is (if you believe his agent) he thinks he's too grand to play in the Championship, so off you go Carles & let's hope we find players with a bit more commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Might not have been the best player, not the first one i would ship out the door though. Hopefully more will follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 8 hours ago, villa4europe said: whos that spanish central midfielder who played for the baggies, did nothing special, moved back to mallorca looked a world beater and got himself a move i think to fiorentina? pretty much exactly what you're saying Valero is a hell of a lot better player than Gil. West Brom was only blip on his CV and ran midfield for Villarreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 headline on Birmingham Evening Mail has been he has been pushing for a move all summer as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 19 hours ago, Stevo985 said: It's entirely relevant when the statement being questioned was he "had a piss weak shot" with his right foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 11 minutes ago, Zatman said: Valero is a hell of a lot better player than Gil. West Brom was only blip on his CV and ran midfield for Villarreal Yeah he did but his stint in the prem made him a better tougher player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 13 minutes ago, Zatman said: headline on Birmingham Evening Mail has been he has been pushing for a move all summer as well Slow news day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 15 minutes ago, Zatman said: headline on Birmingham Evening Mail has been he has been pushing for a move all summer as well Shows the person he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Shows the person he is. If any headline on Birmingham Evening Mail in general is the headline of a well-researched, professionally sound article with no anti-Villa bias whatsoever and not merely click-bait - well then: yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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