ismail-villa Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 If we win, I'd love to see Hull win and then Newcastle to lose. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Last nights result probably did us a favour with Arsenal dropping 3pts. They'll need to hump Sunderland to stand any chance of beating Citeh to second spot and will want to keep above ManUre to prevent a further Champs League qualification match! Yeah The Arse have Man Utd at weekend also so should be the same for the Albion Game to! I will laugh my nut sack right off if we finish above Sandwell Town after all the shite they have been spouting all season! Edited May 12, 2015 by Kingman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post P3te Posted May 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2015 There really was no chance at all we were staying up under Lambert was there. Looking at the results we've had under Sherwood, and the fact that we're still not mathematically safe... Christ we'd have been lucky to be on 30 points now had we kept going the way we were 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2015 There really was no chance at all we were staying up under Lambert was there. Looking at the results we've had under Sherwood, and the fact that we're still not mathematically safe... Christ we'd have been lucky to be on 30 points now had we kept going the way we were You never know. You'd have said the same about Leicester 6 weeks ago and look at them now. We did have a habit under Lambert of switching it on when it mattered towards the end of the season, and despite ho wbadly we were doing, we weren't as badly off as we were in previous seasons (I don't think) But having said all that, that was certainly the feeling after the Hull game. I wouldn't be confident we'd have stayed up after that with Lambert here, especially with everyone else's resurgence in recent weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 No, just no. We were down and out under Lambert. Players didn't want to play for him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 No, just no. We were down and out under Lambert. Players didn't want to play for him. Ya if Tim was in for the Hull game we'd be mathematically safe already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 No, just no. We were down and out under Lambert. Players didn't want to play for him. Ya if Tim was in for the Hull game we'd be mathematically safe already. Why? Did he get a 3 point bonus for signing on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2015 No, just no. We were down and out under Lambert. Players didn't want to play for him. yeah. That's what I concluded. I was just pointing out that it wasn't certain. We've turned it around before, and leicester were in a worse situation and have pulled it out of the bag when it mattered. Doesn't change the fact that sacking him was absolutely the right thing to do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted May 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2015 I don't think it's fair to say they weren't playing for him, that's not what the vibe was. I think it was more that they liked the guy and were trying their best to make his ideas work. That everyone (I include Lambert here) was maybe losing belief was evident, it was a slow process though and not a particularly black and white situation. We were gone though regardless had we not sacked Lambert, I thought after Hull it was inevitable and probably too late. Sherwood deserves massive credit for the job he has done since. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2015 No I think he'd lost them by the Hull game. They were playing for him before that but motivation in general was so low that losing the dressing room was inevitable. I don't think they had any confidence in him or themselves at that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 We should be thanking Hull for that loss, like Sunderland fans should be thanking us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormandyVillan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 So... what are the chances of Villa being safe by next Saturday evening? Let's assume the bookies know what they are talking about and do a bit of maths... The only matches that matter (as far as this question is concerned) are Southampton v Villa and Spurs v Hull. If Hull get more points than us on Saturday, we will go into the final day with relegation still a possibility (whatever the results in other games). If they don't, we are safe. Based on the bookies' odds I've seen, the probabilities for those two games are (adjusting slightly to make the probabilities add up to 1): Soton v Villa: Soton win: 0.54 Draw 0.26 Villa win 0.20 Spurs v Hull; Spurs win: 0.56 Draw 0.24 Hull win 0.20 So, by my reckoning, the probability of Villa being safe from relegation after those games would be: Probability (Villa win) + Probability (Villa Draw + Hull Draw or Lose) + Probability (Villa Lose + Hull Lose) = 0.20 + (0.26 x 0.80) + (0.54 x 0.56) = 0.20 + 0.208 + 0.302 = 0.71 We therefore have (based on the bookies' odds) about a 71% chance of being safe by Saturday evening, and a 29% chance of not being safe (either then or at kick-off on the last day of the season). Let's hope the more likely thing happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted May 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2015 Someone's broke a leg in training according to Kozak's tweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Someone's broke a leg in training according to Kozak's tweets Last tweet April 19th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 There really was no chance at all we were staying up under Lambert was there. Looking at the results we've had under Sherwood, and the fact that we're still not mathematically safe... Christ we'd have been lucky to be on 30 points now had we kept going the way we were none for me, I dont think we would have got another point under Lambert it was that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted May 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2015 Someone's broke a leg in training according to Kozak's tweets Last tweet April 19th? He deleted them soon after. Turned out to be Seigrist, if anyone isn't reading the Kozak thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 No, just no. We were down and out under Lambert. Players didn't want to play for him. yeah. That's what I concluded. I was just pointing out that it wasn't certain. We've turned it around before, and leicester were in a worse situation and have pulled it out of the bag when it mattered. Doesn't change the fact that sacking him was absolutely the right thing to do. The difference being that Leicester hadn't actually been playing that badly. We were in an absolutely dire run of form without even playing well. I think we'd have gone down with Lambert still in charge - and I was in favour for keeping him on for as long as possible. The Hull game was the turning point and the sacking was the correct thing to do (as you say). I don't think he'd have taken us to more than 34 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Also, Hull are down surely? I just can't see them getting more than a point from Spurs (A) and Man Utd (H). I guess you never know - and we've had some interesting results in the league lately - but they seem doomed after that Burnley result. Shame because Newcastle were heading into that bottom 3 faster than... well, anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2015 No, just no. We were down and out under Lambert. Players didn't want to play for him. yeah. That's what I concluded. I was just pointing out that it wasn't certain. We've turned it around before, and leicester were in a worse situation and have pulled it out of the bag when it mattered. Doesn't change the fact that sacking him was absolutely the right thing to do. The difference being that Leicester hadn't actually been playing that badly. We were in an absolutely dire run of form without even playing well. I think we'd have gone down with Lambert still in charge - and I was in favour for keeping him on for as long as possible. The Hull game was the turning point and the sacking was the correct thing to do (as you say). I don't think he'd have taken us to more than 34 points. I'd agree with all of that. If we'd stayed up with Lambert, and it's a huge if, then we'd have been much less comfortable than we are now. And we're hardly very comfortable now at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The way this run in is going I can easily see Hull getting 4 points from Spurs & Utd. And despite our form I can't quite shake the feeling that we'll implode some time (the legacy of the last few seasons I guess). I don't think it's at all likely we'll go down, but there'll be a nagging doubt until it's properly over. A month ago I thought 35 would be enough to be safe, but to see even Sunderland and Newcastle getting points from nowhere keeps the doubt alive. Please make it be over on Saturday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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