Spiritof82 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Great signing guys Will become an all time great if we can keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityRoadSteps Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was under the impression that the "Middle of the road club" comment was made by a talking head on a radio station and not anyone actually in the Cleverley camp. Yep. So much utter balls been spouted on this deal in the last 48 hours, sadly people seem willing to believe all sorts of stuff regardless of the source. I believe the 80k rubbish was from someone similar. The first reference I heard to 80k a week was from Pat Murphy speaking on 5live. When he reported that Villa had pulled out of the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 due to Financial Fair Play these loan to become permanent deals are more common now given amortisation of transfer fees offset by player sales. Along with income vs wages. If I say to you, yes I want him but I'll pay 1 million more if we do loan deal for this year and I sign him permanent in Jan. I'll pay all his wages. You don't say no to me. But on my side I am working within the FFP constraints. time to get used to this kind of deal. I don't follow that I'm afraid Conor. It may be more popular for the club taking the player, but it doesn't benefit the selling club, so overall it cancles out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVillan Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Jonathan Hope was the agent who made the middle of the road comment, he works for JSH Sports agency. The agency Cleverley uses is Ungeklart i.e. Jonathan Hope has nothing to do with Tom Cleverley and his views are not representative of Cleverley's 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CVByrne Posted September 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was under the impression that the "Middle of the road club" comment was made by a talking head on a radio station and not anyone actually in the Cleverley camp. Yep. So much utter balls been spouted on this deal in the last 48 hours, sadly people seem willing to believe all sorts of stuff regardless of the source. I believe the 80k rubbish was from someone similar. Of course it had to be. Villa wouldn't have even been bothering with discussions let alone feeling confident in signing him if he was asking to be our best paid player and improving his salary to over double what he was on at United. I believe it's far more intricate than that. Everton being his first choice, United pressing for Villa due to a transfer being better than a loan. Villa not wanting to pay a new player at same level as senior players due to implications around knock on of Delph and Vlaar contract discussions. The solution lets Villa and Cleverly leave the contract problem until after Delph and Vlaar have been sorted out. Then performances on the pitch can help both Villa and Cleverly in a potential wage offered. But look, how many football fans would think like this? Majority post based on emotion, not logic and especially on deadline day. Anyone holding ill will towards Cleverly on the past 48 hours is rather daft imo. Forget about it and cheer him when he runs out for us. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 due to Financial Fair Play these loan to become permanent deals are more common now given amortisation of transfer fees offset by player sales. Along with income vs wages. If I say to you, yes I want him but I'll pay 1 million more if we do loan deal for this year and I sign him permanent in Jan. I'll pay all his wages. You don't say no to me. But on my side I am working within the FFP constraints. time to get used to this kind of deal. i'm not sure that works with the Cleverly deal though. We would have paid £8m, amortised over 4 years = £2m a year. Instead we are paying around a £2m loan fee to Man Utd = £2m a year. I think it must have been more about running out of time, agent or Tom playing hardball, rather than FFP (in this case) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'd take being middle of the road after the last few years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2014 Tom Cleverley, welcome to the best club in the world, work hard, play well and we'll love you. I imagine if wages were the stumbling block, as was mentioned yesterday, then perhaps we've said come on loan and we'll pay your current wage in exchange for first team football, and of you do well, we'll make you an offer in January for wages we think are fair (by which time it might not be randy's problem). Sounds like win win for villa; he does well, we do well, he does poorly, we're no worse off (other than 1.5m ish in wages). This was a strange deal, but I stand by my original thoughts that this can only be good for the team. UTV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoony Posted September 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2014 Well Tom this is awkward. We definitely weren't all calling you a money grabbing pile of shite or anything like that. #neverdoubted #kingcleverley #didntcallhimawanker 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 The deal is done, he can only help us unless he sulks around like Ireland, but with the team shaping up to be the best Villa side in years (gulp), hopefully he wants to prove himself and play hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 due to Financial Fair Play these loan to become permanent deals are more common now given amortisation of transfer fees offset by player sales. Along with income vs wages. If I say to you, yes I want him but I'll pay 1 million more if we do loan deal for this year and I sign him permanent in Jan. I'll pay all his wages. You don't say no to me. But on my side I am working within the FFP constraints. time to get used to this kind of deal. I don't follow that I'm afraid Conor. It may be more popular for the club taking the player, but it doesn't benefit the selling club, so overall it cancles out. Well if I can't buy your player now for 10 million as I'll be in breach of FFP as it will push me over on my side. I want a 4 year deal with him. The selling club is in the black at the moment, 5 mil free wiggle room on their side. I offer to pay 1 million loan fee now, pay all the players wages and pay you the 10 million next summer. I get the player for 1 year longer at total cost of 11 mil, (Fee is 1 mil this year and 2.5mil per year amortised over next 4 years) you get more money for the player as you'll get 11 million in total. Makes sense in the framework of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Good signing imo, structured well for us: If he's unbelievably good, Man United will recall him and we lose him. Unlikely, he's not going to be so good that they'll want him instead of all the attacking players they've splurged on in the last year. If he's decent enough we want to keep him, we've got an option to buy and we'll buy him. If he's a crock of shite, we won't buy him and we'll just send him back to United instead. Don't really see where we can lose out there. Also, I don't really care he was interested in other clubs because in the end he signed for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincenzo Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 He is a Villa player for now so I'll back him as long as he puts a stint in 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritof82 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Have faith It's a confidence thing with Tom 3 sessions on Friday, the last at 5:30 (in the pouring rain) - knowing he was already gone, he trained harder than anyone and danced round the team like he was a Barca first teamer. UTV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I can only assume those getting in a lather over the intricacies of this move are our younger brethren. Do you have any idea of the shenanigans that sent on in the seventies over transfers ?! Had we had rolling news and the internet we could easily have discovered we were not peter withes first choice, for example.....would that have mattered ? Get over yourselves ! Welcome aboard to a decent player with his best years ahead of him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Its kinda the same as trying to pull a girl, she says she fancies someone else who turns her down, then she comes crawling back. Still nice to get laid i spose. Welcome tom, sorry you have to **** a minger. Ian Holloway - what are you doing posting on this forum?! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 2, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2014 I can only assume those getting in a lather over the intricacies of this move are our younger brethren. Do you have any idea of the shenanigans that sent on in the seventies over transfers ?! Had we had rolling news and the internet we could easily have discovered we were not peter withes first choice, for example.....would that have mattered ? Get over yourselves ! Welcome aboard to a decent player with his best years ahead of him. That's true. I suppose as fans we expect players to have the same ultimate and unswerving loyalty to a club as we do, and that is very rarely the case. It's a bit like your missus mentioning an ex, you know there were others, but you'd prefer not to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) The only thing to do now is: Spell his name correctly in this and any other thread that he is mentioned in. Not too difficult surely! Edited September 2, 2014 by pacbuddies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
botak Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Basically, for a relatively small expenditure, we have swapped KEA who was going to leave at the end of the season anyway for Cleverley who may or may not leave at the end of the season. Cleverley is better than KEA. Our team is stronger. We are less likely to get relegated. More likely to finish higher in the league and get more income as a result. Fair enough we didn't get a Delorean and 'back to the future' a prime Zico to VP. But other than this, why are folk complaining? We were using players like Bowery and Sylla last season, and people are appalled by getting an England international who got plenty of game time at MU?? Jesus wept. Edited September 2, 2014 by botak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Why no picture of him deliriously happy, holding the shirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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