Popular Post CVByrne Posted September 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2014 Even if he did want to go to Everton, so what, he probably wanted to join a club he could help get to europe next year, we are not honestly close to that yet. We are an upcoming team and Everton are almost there. who can honestly blame him. now he is with us we get behind him. In fairness he wouldn't have had to relocate either. I don't think we should take it so personally. Exactly, manager he knew, he has a home and a young child and he wouldn't have to move. Look people need to accept that 90% of football fans react on emotion and not logic and don't expect footballers to make human decisions. The only factor is my club is better than other clubs and if he didn't want to come here etc... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain-from-Texas Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Still don't understand why we would pay 7.5 for 6 months of his service in Jan, either us or United are insane. We would pay 7.5 million for him in January only if he signed a multi-year deal with us. I can't imagine any other scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Nothing on the official site yet. Reading back on here few pages it looks like a loan until January with an option to buy for £7.5m? eeer isn't he out of contract in the summer? Season long loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 His two biggest signings were Vlaar and Benteke and they proved to be rather good I might say. Vlaar's not even in Lambert's top 3 biggest signings in terms of fee afaik Think Kozak was more expensive but that's it. He was laying well when he got injured so can't judge that signing fully yet. Plus centre forwards always command higher fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaspg Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I dont mind the fact that he wanted to join Everton before us. Its the middle of the road club comment that i found a bit unnescessary. It was from his agent though so guess it might not have been his exact words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Mark Ogden @MOgdenTelegraph Villa can complete a £7.5m deal for Cleverley in January if the player impresses. £7.5m.. what. Why would we do that when we can sign him for free in the summer? Because then anyone will be able to sign him. The 7.5m is probably exaggerated anyway. Anyone can sign him on a pre-contract on January 1st anyway. Very much this, Also added to the fact is the 2 club per season rule, so he either stays with us for the full season and puts himself in the window or goes back to utd reserves with little to non exposure. Everyone's a winner except lill old man utd!.. Bonnet De Douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djemba_Villan Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I dont mind the fact that he wanted to join Everton before us. Its the middle of the road club comment that i found a bit unnescessary. It was from his agent though so guess it might not have been his exact words I dont think it's true. But even if the quote were genuine...we really can't argue can we? Sad to admit I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I dont mind the fact that he wanted to join Everton before us. Its the middle of the road club comment that i found a bit unnescessary. It was from his agent though so guess it might not have been his exact words I dont think it's true. But even if the quote were genuine...we really can't argue can we? Sad to admit I know. The quote is from his agent and it is genuine, also, sadly true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Pat Murphy saying United can recall him in January if they choose, or we can make it permanent. Or, presumably, neither. Probably the oddest transfer deal I can remember, but I'm glad we've got him in, I think he could be a decent player for us. The nice thing is that if he isn't we can sack him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Anyone can sign him on a pre-contract on January 1st anyway. only clubs outside the player's current owners' country can sign pre-contracts on jan 1st. Cleverley won't be able to sign a pre-contract with anyone in England apart from us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I dont mind the fact that he wanted to join Everton before us. Its the middle of the road club comment that i found a bit unnescessary. It was from his agent though so guess it might not have been his exact words I dont think it's true. But even if the quote were genuine...we really can't argue can we? Sad to admit I know. The quote is from his agent and it is genuine, also, sadly true. Easy to type words. Verify that this is true, that the agent said this. Otherwise I'm almost certain it was made up. Agents are well paid, intelligent professionals. 99% of people who follow football and jabber on twitter and forums are not. I doubt any agent decided to publically mock the team he was trying to get his client to join and pocket himself a large fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 A season long loan deal is much better than shelling out £8m on him IMO. Let's face it, he is still going to want to play well for us anyway because he will want to earn a new deal whether it is us or a new club. Seems like a win-win situation for the Villa and that'll do for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biskitt Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I can't see how this is anything other than positive. We get to add a player with something to prove to our squad ( and we are lacking in numbers in his position ) for minimal risk and with a potential of a permanent deal if it works out well for all parties. If it doesn't go well, then we haven't really lost anything. The Everton's situation doesn't bother me either, of course he'd have preferred to go to a club that are better than us at the moment, are closer to home for him and with a manager who he's previously been successful with. If you were in his shoes I think everyone would have preferred that option. Welcome aboard Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djemba_Villan Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I can't see how this is anything other than positive. We get to add a player with something to prove to our squad ( and we are lacking in numbers in his position ) for minimal risk and with a potential of a permanent deal if it works out well for all parties. If it doesn't go well, then we haven't really lost anything. The Everton's situation doesn't bother me either, of course he'd have preferred to go to a club that are better than us at the moment, are closer to home for him and with a manager who he's previously been successful with. If you were in his shoes I think everyone would have preferred that option. Welcome aboard Tom Totally echo the above. I'd also add that we know no facts at all about the Everton stuff. Sounds to me like 2+2=9. Welcome aboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityRoadSteps Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was under the impression that the "Middle of the road club" comment was made by a talking head on a radio station and not anyone actually in the Cleverley camp. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 a) If the image is of him scoring past us - who cares! Thats what he was paid by them to do! We have NO FACTS about the whole hoo-har with Everton. How do we know that we didnt pull the plug, THEN he went to speak to Everton THEN that fell through THEN we changed our goalposts. c) Welcome to the club! Let's hope you're more of a Delph than a Djemba-Djemba. This is what the Guardian are reporting as has happened: http://goo.gl/vNSkBj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 due to Financial Fair Play these loan to become permanent deals are more common now given amortisation of transfer fees offset by player sales. Along with income vs wages. If I say to you, yes I want him but I'll pay 1 million more if we do loan deal for this year and I sign him permanent in Jan. I'll pay all his wages. You don't say no to me. But on my side I am working within the FFP constraints. time to get used to this kind of deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 2, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was under the impression that the "Middle of the road club" comment was made by a talking head on a radio station and not anyone actually in the Cleverley camp. Yep. So much utter balls been spouted on this deal in the last 48 hours, sadly people seem willing to believe all sorts of stuff regardless of the source. I believe the 80k rubbish was from someone similar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was under the impression that the "Middle of the road club" comment was made by a talking head on a radio station and not anyone actually in the Cleverley camp. I'm sure it was, but then we get the chinese whispers and whatever emotion (I like/ dkislike / hate) the person in question becomes the key factor in how you repeate it. Accuracy is the least important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was under the impression that the "Middle of the road club" comment was made by a talking head on a radio station and not anyone actually in the Cleverley camp. Yeah can somebody shed some light on this? I'm confused and have only seen the reference made on VT. Surely he's not going to have said something as stupid as that on his first day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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