KJT123 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I would say very much an upgrade from El-Ahmadi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 hes a better Westwood. Not the type of player we need. We need a younger version of Cole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted October 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2014 I can't blame Cleverly today. Thought he tried hard. It's not easy when your midfield partners are N'Zogbia and Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Tidy and works hard, but less influential than his stats might tend to suggest. As others have said, he doesn't seem to make a lot of difference. He is a useful player if he has better players to give the ball to that will make things happen, he doesn't seem to be able to do it himself. Yep, I'd agree with that having seen him live a few times now. He's not a terrible player by any means as he passes quite well and works hard. But at the same time you can see why it never quite happened at United as on quite a few occasions he was a step behind in thought of when to pass it or latch onto a flick. Certainly compare him and Westwood to Barkley and McCarthy and there was a huge gulf there. I'm fine having him in the team...but the thought of losing Delph on a free, signing Cleverley for 7m and then repacking him as some sort of Delph replacement dosen't sit well with me. As we saw today our midfield lacks pace and drive that Delph provides and Everton just passed for fun around us all day. Honestly, I don't see Delph making any difference if he played today. He's not that creative either. And yes, I agree with you guys that better, or more mobile and intelligent, players up front would help Cleverly, as they would help our midfield in general. I'm not happy with the level our midfield is playing at the moment. By all accounts we should have a decent midfield on paper. Somehow it doesn't translate into a good performance on the pitch. I think it is because of what you guys are suggesting: we don't have the mobility or intelligence up front. We really need Benteke at his best, but that alone won't save us. Gabby or Andi has to step up aswell. Delph's energy would've at least helped in closing down Barry and McCarthy as they passed it around us for fun all afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Still don't see anything aside a work horse Yes, he works very hard off the ball and is tidy enough on it but I can't see him offering much more than El-Ahmadi offensively. If anything, he'd be better taking Westwood's place at DM as he is far superior defensively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I think that if he's really going to cost us £8m+ then we'd be better off spending that on someone with creativity and a forward pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Cleverly has impressed me - I would definately be looking to sign him on a permanent deal if possible - class act in my opinion . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) I think that if he's really going to cost us £8m+ then we'd be better off spending that on someone with creativity and a forward pass. It would be better to spend 8 mil on a striker or forward who scores goals. We have only got one of these, and he is just back from a major injury. I will be surprised if Gabby, Weimann, Bent and Kozak (when fit again) will get more than 15 combined. If Benteke only gets 10-15, we will have to rely on our midfield to chip in. And players like Cleverley, Delph, and Westwood don't score many. Edited October 19, 2014 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted October 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2014 Cleverly has impressed me - I would definately be looking to sign him on a permanent deal if possible - class act in my opinion . considering its takes time for a player to truly settle into a new team im inclined to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Cleverly has impressed me - I would definately be looking to sign him on a permanent deal if possible - class act in my opinion . He is easily good enough for our midfield. I know all about Delph's work rate and forward runs and Westwood's calm collection and distrubition, but I have yet to see them stamp their authority on any game. Also, will Cleverly even want to stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Very good player. Defo better than westwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Why does he have to be better than someone? Why can't we appreciate them both as good players? Never understood praise at the expense of other players personally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Why does he have to be better than someone? Why can't we appreciate them both as good players? Never understood praise at the expense of other players personally. Sometimes it's good to state who is better so we know the level of players and effectiveness required at this level. Opposed to settling for anybody. i.e if we brought remy and played him where gabby tries play so non effectively we would all point out who is better It wasn't a attack westwood for the record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobs Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 On the Everton forums they think they have a deal already in place for him to join in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 On the Everton forums they think they have a deal already in place for him to join in the summer dont see it, they have Barry, Besic, McCarthy, Gibson, Barkley and Osman that can all play there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 he'll score his first goal for us Monday! I think he's looked okay to date - will be interesting to see if he can step into Delph's boots until Fab returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 On the Everton forums they think they have a deal already in place for him to join in the summer I don't think that is even allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I've been quietly impressed with him, but he'll need to show more in the final third now that the fixtures are letting up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Needs to offer a little bit more for me to be convinced a permanent move is the right thing for us, especially given the prices being spoke about ATM. Been ok, but that's about it IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 We need someone who can score from midfield and create chances and would be better spending funds on that type of player IMO. Not been impressed with Cleverley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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