Czechlad Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Started scoring goals? Did I miss something? 3 goals in 2 matches for our reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Just now, Czechlad said: 3 goals in 2 matches for our reserves. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 16 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Why are we still taking about this guy? Yeah I mean, how dare people talk about a Villa player on his topic on a Villa forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 11 minutes ago, Czechlad said: 3 goals in 2 matches for our reserves. And as the manager said, scoring in U21 football isn't everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 4 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Yeah I mean, how dare people talk about a Villa player on his topic on a Villa forum. yes how dare you! The nerve of some people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) Kozak is to Garde what Carles Gil is to Tim Sherwood. and before anyone attacks me, this isn't about who is better or more deserving of a starting birth out of Gil and Kozak. This is just another example of a managerial blindspot, baring in mind Nzogbia managed to get on the pitch under Garde. In his interview he quotes that he has 9 attacking players to chose from, yet only Kozak and Gestede are what you would call traditional centre forwards (this due to our failure to sign Adebeyor or have a plan B for the failure). The rest are deep lying forwards, wide men or wingers, and only one out of that 9 actually scores goals. And you'd barely call Gabby a footballer this days let alone an attacker (Zog has left on a mission to find the perfect jumper so can't be counted surely?) again if Garde had no intention of playing Kozak then why didn't he let him go out on loan, if we are over burdened with forwards? You can't move for strikers at Bodymoor Heath these days. Edited December 10, 2015 by VillanousOne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: And as the manager said, scoring in U21 football isn't everything. I'd like to see how Gestede would go in the under 21s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 And as the manager said, scoring in U21 football isn't everything. I'd like to see how Gestede would go in the under 21s If you thought he was good at it in the prem, he'd musical statue the **** out of the u21s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 4 minutes ago, KSV said: I'd like to see how Gestede would go in the under 21s I'd imagine he'd score lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I think it maybe comes down to if you want a new striker in Jan, then get rid of one. Kozak is the fall guy. Shame, it's just one of those football things, injury, new managers. We never got to see what he could have done with an extended run in the side. Played with big love for the club from day one. All the best big man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Jersey_Villa Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 3 hours ago, DCJonah said: I'd imagine he'd score lots. Especially if a couple of the lads in the under 21s know how to cross a ball or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I'm confident that Gestede would score hatfulls in any league. He is that good in the air. Only though if he has people putting crosses on his head all game long so he doesn't have to move or do anything with his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 15 hours ago, penguin said: Being too kind there I think, It's proving some people have a completely false definition of the term. Whilst he's perhaps shown some promise for us in terms of starts or minutes played to goals, although a very small sample size, he's not been scoring regularly since he was at Opava, calling him a proven goalscorer is ridiculous. ITT we learn that "proven he can score" and "proven goalscorer" are very different things. To demonstrate: Libor Kozak has proven he can score. Jordaw Ayew has proven he can score. Christian Benteke is a proven goalscorer. Sergio Aguero is a proven goalscorer. The only thing "ridiculous" thing here is the rush for some people to try and put others down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 14 hours ago, DCJonah said: I'd imagine he'd score lots. only if the ref or linesperson was female Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 30 minutes ago, bobzy said: ITT we learn that "proven he can score" and "proven goalscorer" are very different things. To demonstrate: Libor Kozak has proven he can score. Jordaw Ayew has proven he can score. Christian Benteke is a proven goalscorer. Sergio Aguero is a proven goalscorer. The only thing "ridiculous" thing here is the rush for some people to try and put others down. They clearly aren't very different things especially in the context they have been used, they have very similar connotations. Your demonstration has done little to clear anything up, what's the criteria for someone to have "proven" they can score that's so different to calling someone proven goalscorer ? That they've scored a goal before I suppose could be a strict definition, but this clearly adds no value to the discussion and isn't what is being implied by the term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 2 minutes ago, penguin said: They clearly aren't very different things especially in the context they have been used, they have very similar connotations. Your demonstration has done little to clear anything up, what's the criteria for someone to have "proven" they can score that's so different to calling someone proven goalscorer ? That they've scored a goal before I suppose could be a strict definition, but this clearly adds no value to the discussion and isn't what is being implied by the term. One would refer to someone who has proven they can score over a short-term period and the other is a player who is renowned for scoring goals. It was clarified by stating that Kozak has a better goals:game ratio than any striker at our club. He's worth a shot in the team (IMO) because of this. Not once did I call him a proven goalscorer. For further example, Gabby Agbonlahor has proven he can score. Would you call him a "proven goalscorer", though? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 11 hours ago, villan_007 said: I think it maybe comes down to if you want a new striker in Jan, then get rid of one. Kozak is the fall guy. Shame, it's just one of those football things, injury, new managers. We never got to see what he could have done with an extended run in the side. Played with big love for the club from day one. All the best big man. To be fair if we have to sell anyone he is the most likely candidate that a) we could actually sell and .b.) get some money for Gestede - Unliley as we just bought him Ayew - Unlikely as we just bought him and he is looking half decent Sinclair - Unlikely as we just bought him Agbonlahor - Unlikely as he's shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Doubt we would get more than 2 million for him. It be a huge risk signing as he has just recovered from a broken leg and hasnt played competitive football since it except maybe 1 cup game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 1 hour ago, bobzy said: One would refer to someone who has proven they can score over a short-term period and the other is a player who is renowned for scoring goals. It was clarified by stating that Kozak has a better goals:game ratio than any striker at our club. He's worth a shot in the team (IMO) because of this. Not once did I call him a proven goalscorer. For further example, Gabby Agbonlahor has proven he can score. Would you call him a "proven goalscorer", though? No. If you score 1 goal you have proved you can score. You would necessarily have to use a different criteria to call a player a proven goalscorer, ie. the number of goals scored, and perhaps the period of time during which they were scored. And until someone rules on these points it is purely subjective. As for Agbonlahor, I am not a fan these days, but strictly speaking he is a proven goal scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 So someone who has scored a goal a few goals has proved they can score. God that's clutching a bit. Makes you wonder why a manager would choose not pick someone who has proved they can score. That seems like something that would be very useful to a football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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