Isa Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Tonev is only one full game into his Villa career in a new league in a new country, should we start him against City too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 So Bennett gets slaughtered for looking better offensively rather then defensively but Luna is loved for it? There would have been about 20 new pages on the Bennett thread (of non-stop slating and abuse) had he served up what Luna did on Saturday. Or the Saturday before that I might add. Some players can do no wrong according to some,while others are blamed for everything that's gone wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Opinions are mixed on here about Luna though aren't they. I actually was never too critical of Bennett but I do think there's more potential in Luna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Yes, he was positionally suspect. But you asked why he is still better. He is better 1v1 than Bennett and he kept several other players quiet. But I digress. Like Westwood, you seem to have made up your mind about Luna. Not at all. With Westwood I am arguing that he doesn't do enough off the ball to fit into the way we currently play. As with Luna, I am rightly criticising two awful performances and pointing out that Bennett would've got far more stick had he produced the same. Also, I've also said that Bennett should regain his place if he performs well against Tottenham in midweek. Is there anything irrational about that? As far as rushing to judgements go, you have clearly come to the conclusion that Luna is definitely better then Bennett after the sum total of 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 It's not irrational, but it doesn't make sense to discount the very good - and they were very good - performances he had against Arsenal, Chelsea, and Liverpool and then to turn around and say he should be dropped because of a bad performance against Newcastle and an average one against Norwich. I'm all for picking players based on form, but a little consistency please. And as I said in my earlier post, based on 5 games, Luna is better right now. I even went to great lengths to say that we shouldn't write Bennett off, but right now, Luna is better. No, Luna isn't getting criticized like Bennett, but Bennett hasn't turned in performances against Arsenal, Chelsea, and Liverpool either like Luna did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaguy Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I agree with Isa on these points to be fair. I thought he was great against Arsenal, but not much better than average against Chelsea and Liverpool and I was always a bit worried with his defensive positioning. I thought he was almost as bad against Norwich as he was against Newcastle too, I think Bennett on his form I have seen in his most recent games is just as good. If he comes in and has a good performance against Spurs he should be entitled to feel hard done by if he gets dropped afterwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 It's not irrational, but it doesn't make sense to discount the very good - and they were very good - performances he had against Arsenal, Chelsea, and Liverpool and then to turn around and say he should be dropped because of a bad performance against Newcastle and an average one against Norwich. I'm all for picking players based on form, but a little consistency please. And as I said in my earlier post, based on 5 games, Luna is better right now. I even went to great lengths to say that we shouldn't write Bennett off, but right now, Luna is better. No, Luna isn't getting criticized like Bennett, but Bennett hasn't turned in performances against Arsenal, Chelsea, and Liverpool either like Luna did. Well I'm not really sure how you can say he is 'better now' then Bennett given that Bennett hasn't really had a chance to show what level he is performing at. By that logic I could argue that KEA is currently better then Sylla couldn't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I thought he played well today, but my favorite part is his goal celebrations. No one celebrates harder after we score than Tony Moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Yes much better from him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Obviously he watched Joe Bennett closely on Tuesday.................. Seriously, he did a lot better today, thought Navas would rip him a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Well Navas did get past him several times and managed to get a cross in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Well Navas did get past him several times and managed to get a cross in... Yes but he didn't have free-reign as Snodgrass did. Luna at least put up a challenge today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted September 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2013 There's something strangely really likable about this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyavfc Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 There's something strangely really likable about this guy It's his beard of courage. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted September 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2013 It will be a volatile ride watching Luna this season. He can be brilliant at times and then the worst left back ever. But I agree with the sentiment here: something about this guy makes you like him. And I think it's his heart. He gives his everything and loves doing it. I believe in him, he will be a very good defender one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted September 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted September 28, 2013 Luna played with great awareness today and after Bacuna was my MOTM. Can only get better IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Luna played with great awareness today and after Bacuna was my MOTM. Can only get better IMO It's interesting that you bring up both the wingbacks as your motm. I'm inclined to agree, and maybe that's cause both bacuna and Luna really work well playing as the outside of a five man defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 It will be a volatile ride watching Luna this season. He can be brilliant at times and then the worst left back ever. But I agree with the sentiment here: something about this guy makes you like him. And I think it's his heart. He gives his everything and loves doing it. I believe in him, he will be a very good defender one day. I agree 100% You can see he loves playing for Villa and the supporters. You look at him and think he's a 32 year old veteran who shouldn't be making the mistakes he makes, but remember he's just a kid, really. I think he'll improve by leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted September 29, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted September 29, 2013 It will be a volatile ride watching Luna this season. He can be brilliant at times and then the worst left back ever. But I agree with the sentiment here: something about this guy makes you like him. And I think it's his heart. He gives his everything and loves doing it. I believe in him, he will be a very good defender one day. I agree 100% You can see he loves playing for Villa and the supporters. You look at him and think he's a 32 year old veteran who shouldn't be making the mistakes he makes, but remember he's just a kid, really. I think he'll improve by leaps and bounds. Yes, exactly, with his beard and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 The great thing about him is that he charges down crosses, gets in close to players and doesn't want to let anything get past him. Great little player in the making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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