imavillan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, villalad21 said: It's crazy that Burnley have 4 games in hand on them. Watford got 3. Could be absolutely miles off safety once the games start to catch up You are assuming those clubs will do something that have not shown so far in those games in hand and win matches. If Newcastle show the same fight and spirit as they did against, albeit a poor Man United, they will pick points up and give themselves a chance of survival. Especially if they manage to add a couple of quality players. They did not look like a team in the bottom three last night. fwiw, I think they will stay up. Edited December 28, 2021 by imavillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Yeah but we know from experience that teams in very poor form can often play a blinder against one of the top clubs before reverting to type in the "easier" games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, imavillan said: You are assuming those clubs will do something that have not shown so far in those games in hand and win matches. Love the way people look at games in hand and apply “some wins there” as the logic. Burnley’s 4 games in hand, for example, are Spurs, Man Utd, Villa and Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, bobzy said: Love the way people look at games in hand and apply “some wins there” as the logic. Burnley’s 4 games in hand, for example, are Spurs, Man Utd, Villa and Watford. Burnley could see 5-7 points there. Ok its possible they get 0 but its not that daunting a list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just now, Zatman said: Looking for games called off Goes against their pull socks up and get on with it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Burnley could see 5-7 points there. Ok its possible they get 0 but its not that daunting a list 11 points from 15 games so far this season, not scored in their last 3 (against Wolves, West Ham and Newcastle) but are looking at avoiding defeat in at least 2 of those? I don’t see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) You could equally apply the same logic to Newcastle and ask why are they suddenly going to start winning games when they've only won one all season. Also Burnley have lost just one of their last six, they've Beat Brentford, and drawn with Palace, Chelsea, Wolves, and West Ham. So they will fancy their chances in getting some points from Tottenham Hotspurs, Manchester United, Aston Villa, and Watford, they aren't just going to conveniently lose all those games. Besides, you can't really point to specific fixtures and call those fixtures their "games in hand", the point is they've got four more games than Newcaste from which to get points, you could point to any of their remaining fixtures and label them their "games in hand". Edited December 28, 2021 by useless 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Watford also has 3 games in hand on Newcastle. Obviously this might just as well lead to 0 points and a worse GD than the -10 they have now. But at least Watford and Burnley has a chance to pick up points in those 3 & 4 games they have to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, useless said: You could equally apply the same logic to Newcastle and ask why are they suddenly going to start winning games when they've only won one all season. Also Burnley have lost just one of their last six, they've Beat Brentford, and drawn with Palace, Chelsea, Wolves, and West Ham. So they will fany their chances in getting some points from Tottenham Hotspurs, Manchester United, Aston Villa, and Watford, they aren't just going to conveniently lose all those games. Besides, you can't really point to specific fixtures and call those fixtures their "games in hand", the point is they've got four more games than Newcaste from which to get points, you could point to any of their remaining fixtures and label them their "games in hand". Yeah, there’s no guarantee of points. But I don’t think anyone is claiming that for Newcastle? Whereas games in hand is seen as an advantage when it just isn’t, to be honest. r.e: the games, I just picked the sides Burnley hadn’t faced yet. It doesn’t work quite like that, as you say, because Newcastle (for example) haven’t played Everton at all but have played Man Utd twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, bobzy said: 11 points from 15 games so far this season, not scored in their last 3 (against Wolves, West Ham and Newcastle) but are looking at avoiding defeat in at least 2 of those? I don’t see it. United struggled against the bottom 2 and Watford in recent weeks. We dont have a great record vs them and Watford are very inconsistent. Its a favourable enough run at the moment obviously things change when the game is rearranged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, bobzy said: Yeah, there’s no guarantee of points. But I don’t think anyone is claiming that for Newcastle? Whereas games in hand is seen as an advantage when it just isn’t, to be honest. r.e: the games, I just picked the sides Burnley hadn’t faced yet. It doesn’t work quite like that, as you say, because Newcastle (for example) haven’t played Everton at all but have played Man Utd twice. I really can't get my head around what you are arguing here, of course games in hand is an advantage. They literally have more points to play for. If all of these sides are not going to pick up another point all season then the table stays as is and Newcastle get relegated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, imavillan said: You are assuming those clubs will do something that have not shown so far in those games in hand and win matches. If Newcastle show the same fight and spirit as they did against, albeit a poor Man United, they will pick points up and give themselves a chance of survival. Especially if they manage to add a couple of quality players. They did not look like a team in the bottom three last night. fwiw, I think they will stay up. Norwich also looked good against United. Easy to get motivated against the best. Let's see how they do against the lesser sides. That's what will define their season. Edited December 28, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: Norwich also looked good against United. Easy to get motivated against the best. Let's see how they do against the lesser sides. That's what will define their season. I agree, people often raise their game against United. The less glamorous ties will define their season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 They won’t stay up with that massive goal difference and their insight it to keep clean sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Well they're not gonna win many if they can't keep clean sheets, and without ASM or Wilson they're not gonna win many goalfests either. Joelinton ain't gonna fire them to safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Genie said: I agree, people often raise their game against United. The less glamorous ties will define their season. I think those sort of games are the ones between now and the start of March (assuming they go ahead as scheduled). Everton (a), Southampton (a), Watford (h), Leeds (a), Everton (h), Villa (h), West Ham (a), Brentford (a), Brighton (h) Ten games remaining after that lot and the opposition will be generally higher up in the league, with one or two (six pointer) exceptions. I think they’d need to be up to approximately 25 points by the end of that Brighton game because points after that are going to be harder to come by. Edited December 28, 2021 by Mark Albrighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Everton game postponed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 I’m sure Newcastle will try and get as many games as possible postponed to give them time to bring in 10 new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 It’s funny seeing the situation with Joelington unfold, he’s stopped being completely shit and people are raving about how incredible he has become. No, he’s just moved from awful to poor. 1 goal in 18 this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted December 29, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 29, 2021 47 minutes ago, Genie said: It’s funny seeing the situation with Joelington unfold, he’s stopped being completely shit and people are raving about how incredible he has become. No, he’s just moved from awful to poor. 1 goal in 18 this season. I thought the reason people were so impressed with him is because he has moved into midfield, and that he suits that role much better than striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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