DCJonah Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, blandy said: My preferred treatment of such idiots is mockery, not calls for them to be locked up. Yes and no. Joe Everyman, absolutely. Calling for censor and jail time for something they said (to an extent) is very silly. However, an elected public official with a platform facing potentially millions, should avoid saying anything that can trigger a riot or insurrection, and to call them out for it is not childish. (And I don't think expecting consequences is either) Edited January 11, 2021 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 33 minutes ago, Awol said: It wasn't terrorism. Terrorism targets civilians, random people, not specific named individuals. That's either attempted assassination or kidnap. As your rightly say, terrorism can be defined in a number of different ways. However, presumably a not-inappropriate way of defining it in this instance is the US legal definition? “terrorism” means premeditated (), politically motivated () violence () perpetrated against noncombatant targets () by subnational groups ()or clandestine agents (probably , but one could construct an argument to the contrary) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, bickster said: Airey Neave says Hi (first one that popped into my head, plenty more besides, as I'm sure you're well aware) Assassination by a militant group. Terrorism is one of many types or tactics of political violence employed by militant or insurgent groups. Even calling different organisations that use terrorism 'terrorist groups' is wrongheaded imo, they exist to forward a political agenda and terrorism is one method they employ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) Edited January 11, 2021 by Villaphan04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted January 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 Whatever we call it they're a bunk of absolute inbred morons and the ones who believe in 'Q' are beyond the pale. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted January 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Villaphan04 said: Orwell got so much correct. The mental gymnastics to go through to get to that level of double think is mind blowing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: Whatever we call it they're a bunk of absolute inbred morons and the ones who believe in 'Q' are beyond the pale. I do think a good number of them genuinely believed they were following the direction of their president to foil a conspiracy against the Republic. They were in a real sense living in an alternative reality. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted January 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: My initial thought was "don't they believe in the free market?". This is private businesses, why should they be compelled to host content they don't want to? It's funny (not really) how it's a gross violation of civil; liberties when not doing business with fine upstanding white supremacists, but just the free market governing itself when they exercise their rights against gays or black people. My second thought was "wtf is a Kirstallnacht?", for the similarly uninformed: Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht Jewish homes, hospitals and schools were ransacked as attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers.[5] Rioters destroyed 267 synagogues throughout Germany, Austria and the Sudetenland.[6] Over 7,000 Jewish businesses were damaged or destroyed,[7][8] and 30,000 Jewish men were arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps.[9] The parallels between this and Amazon, among others, saying "Sorry but we won't host your website anymore" is uncanny. Have I ever told you guys about the time I got a small fine for overstaying in a short term car park? It was just like the sacking of Nanking. Edited January 11, 2021 by Davkaus 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: the amount of misconceptions about freedom of speech is just baffling. Thing is these people should know better and it's just tragic how complicit Fox News is in all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted January 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: One is that there were two types of people there, firstly the moronic daytrippers who got swept up in the drama of it all and just wanted to go in, break a few things, shout a few obscenities, and just generally own the libs, and secondly hardened types who were there with a more serious and violent purpose in mind, as evidenced by the guns and zipties as you mention. You forgot to mention all the guys from antifa. Edited January 11, 2021 by choffer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 hours ago, magnkarl said: Quisling (/ˈkwɪzlɪŋ/; Norwegian pronunciation: [ˈkvɪ̂slɪŋ]) is a term originating in Norway, which is used in Scandinavian languages and in English for a person who collaborates with an enemy occupying force – or more generally as a synonym for traitor.. And the 2 NOK note at the time was nicknamed a Quisling, while the 1 NOK note was nicknamed 'usling' (possibly untranslateable: Lowlife/wretch/scum/traitor). Anyway, you'd need two of those to match a Quisling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Yes and no. Joe Everyman, absolutely. Calling for censor and jail time for something they said (to an extent) is very silly. However, an elected public official with a platform facing potentially millions, should avoid saying anything that can trigger a riot or insurrection, and to call them out for it is not childish. (And I don't think expecting consequences is either) You're right. However, there's a strong case not to go through the circus of attempting to prosecute Trump. It would consume the first 'X' months of Biden's presidency and be a massive distraction, with no guarantee of successful prosecution. That circus would serve as both inspiration and a daily reminder for a decent chunk of his supporters that the new administration is their enemy. That's potentially a lot of Americans. If prosecution fails he'll claim vindication and sit on the periphery like a giant monkey, flinging his own sh*t over everything in reach. If Biden has the sense I think he has (or rather I think those around him have) then he'll focus on trying to reunite the country, not deepening the divisions before the next electoral evolution in two years. The Democrats have a small window in charge of the three branches of the legislature, their entire focus needs to be on using that effectively. Trump will go down in history for all the wrong reasons and while many long to see him behind bars, citing him only as a cautionary tale of what can happen, but who is otherwise ignored, would wound his pride just as deeply without creating a martyr to be exploited by far more competent (and therefore dangerous) people . Once the debt collectors come knocking his personal humiliation will be complete. Edited January 11, 2021 by Awol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 7 hours ago, snowychap said: It has. The PGA of America voted yesterday to terminate the agreement to have the next year's US PGA at Bedminster. Beeb: AP are reporting that not only is the 2022 PGA championship being taken away, they are instigating a lifetime ban on any Trump course being used for a PGA event. Might not seem like a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but this will hurt both his pride and his finances Assume the Euro Tour will follow, which means he’ll never get the open at his course in Aberdeen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, wazzap24 said: Might not seem like a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but this will hurt both his pride and his finances He will do his absolute nut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wazzap24 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, snowychap said: He will do his absolute nut. That’s why it’s so fecking good. A lot of people will be like ‘eh Golf - who cares’, but he will be absolutely raging over it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 What a great time for the lawyers, yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, villakram said: What a great time for the lawyers, yet again. It's a great time for democracy if you ask me. This word removed has acted like he's the emperor of the United States for too **** long. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted January 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, villakram said: What a great time for the lawyers, yet again. The New York State Bar Association is launching an inquiry into President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. The inquiry will determine whether Giuliani should be removed from the membership rolls of the country's largest voluntary state bar association. In a statement on Monday, the NYSBA "strongly condemned" the president and those who had aided his efforts to overturn the election. Mere hours before the invasion of the US Capitol, Giuliani told the assembled mob of Trump supporters: “Let’s have trial by combat.” Citing these words and the "hundreds of complaints" it had received about Giuliani's "baseless" legal efforts to contest Joe Biden's election victory, the NYSBA said the inquiry would give him an opportunity to explain himself. "This decision is historic for NYSBA, and we have not made it lightly," the statement concludes. "We cannot stand idly by and allow those intent on rending the fabric of our democracy to go unchecked." BBC 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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