MakemineVanilla Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, bobzy said: The truly sad thing is that he will continue to spout his vile nonsense - and plenty of people will continue to back him. Go figure. I can't stand him myself but I still think it is a show trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted August 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: I can't stand him myself but I still think it is a show trial. Hmm. Not sure what you mean by that. If you mean coming down heavily, to make an example of him as a warning to others, then yes, I suppose so. But if you're using the term in its Stalinist sense, of stitching up an innocent victim, then, no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 6, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: I can't stand him myself but I still think it is a show trial. So you're saying that his guilt was already pre-determined by the judiciary before the trial had started and that the trial was mere window dressing. Sorry but that is nonsense and just more conspiracy theory idiocy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted August 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bickster said: So you're saying that his guilt was already pre-determined by the judiciary before the trial had started and that the trial was mere window dressing. Sorry but that is nonsense and just more conspiracy theory idiocy. Well there are cases where there is overwhelming evidence that the accused is obviously guilty, and everybody knows it. Nonetheless, the due course of the law must be carried out, if only to ascertain the degree of guilt, and to determine appropriate punishment. Stalin's stitched-up show trials of the 1930s were a very different beast from - say - the postwar Nuremberg trials, which were also clearly going to have only one outcome. That didn't make them any sort of miscarriage of justice. Edited August 6, 2022 by mjmooney 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, mjmooney said: If you mean coming down heavily, to make an example of him as a warning to others, then yes, I suppose so. Yes, that would be nearer my own perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 6, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Yes, that would be nearer my own perception. That isn't a show trial. Not only that but the damages in this civil action were determined by the jury First time ever that I've heard of a civil action being a show trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maqroll Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share Posted August 9, 2022 They opened and searched his safe! Apparently this is related to the missing classified documents. If the Feds found what they were looking for it might just be enough to legally prevent Trump from running for public office ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted August 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 hours ago, maqroll said: They opened and searched his safe! Apparently this is related to the missing classified documents. If the Feds found what they were looking for it might just be enough to legally prevent Trump from running for public office ever again. Dear Lord, I don't believe in you, but please make this the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 The ‘deep state’ are obviously terrified of ‘Trump 2024’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 6 hours ago, maqroll said: If the Feds found what they were looking for it might just be enough to legally prevent Trump from running for public office ever again. I think it is known as fishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2022 He's surely not stupid enough to keep the incriminating stuff in his own house? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 And a few weeks before he was going to announce his run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2022 Ermm. Haven't all the media reported on just that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 The last thing I am is a Trump supporter, there's no doubt he's a walking, talking piece of ****. But there's a point I don't understand, but I do expect there to be a difference. Why are Trump's private premises being raided when no such action was taken against Hillary Clinton when over 30k emails on her private server went missing? From what I can make out, the rule about how data is handled is the same for every US politician, it's just not enforced all that often. What I'm worried about is Trump and his supporters using this as further "evidence" of a left wing conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2022 52 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: The last thing I am is a Trump supporter, there's no doubt he's a walking, talking piece of ****. But there's a point I don't understand, but I do expect there to be a difference. Why are Trump's private premises being raided when no such action was taken against Hillary Clinton when over 30k emails on her private server went missing? From what I can make out, the rule about how data is handled is the same for every US politician, it's just not enforced all that often. What I'm worried about is Trump and his supporters using this as further "evidence" of a left wing conspiracy. You don't keep deleted emails in a safe Trump is alleged to have removed actual physical documents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2022 On 06/08/2022 at 10:35, bickster said: So you're saying that his guilt was already pre-determined by the judiciary before the trial had started and that the trial was mere window dressing. Sorry but that is nonsense and just more conspiracy theory idiocy In fairness Jones's guilt actually was decided before trial. His legal teams **** around so much and he was sanctioned so often in the discovery process that the judge defaulted him. The case that went into the court in Texas was essentially 'Alex Jones has committed this wrong, we ask the jury to decide how much money he should pay to recompense the harm he's done and punish him for doing it'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, bickster said: You don't keep deleted emails in a safe Trump is alleged to have removed actual physical documents In my mind, and this is why I probably don't understand the difference, is that all personal data regardless of the format or where it's stored, should be covered by the data protection act. Again, in my mind, the data being on a private server or on paper in a safe is a breach of that. I think the only thing would be whether or not the data could be classified as personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: In my mind, and this is why I probably don't understand the difference, is that all personal data regardless of the format or where it's stored, should be covered by the data protection act. Again, in my mind, the data being on a private server or on paper in a safe is a breach of that. I think the only thing would be whether or not the data could be classified as personal. I'm unsure as to acts of American Law but this has nothing to do with personal data. This is the removal of Official Government Documents, not the same as what Clinton was accused of 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 There was literally no way in hell the US would let him run again - however they have to do it. God it would be literally the end of America, severe retribution against his opponents, a green flag to Russia, and most certainly some American flavour facism. Hope they found some of these documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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