West Bromwich Albion

[sidcow]

Just seen some footage of Sam leaving The Hawthorns for the last time. 

[The_Steve]

23 hours ago, villa4europe said:

Same for me too, god knows who fat Sam would have bought in for his own self serving short term fix that we'd have as deadwood for a few years after he'd gone 

There was a fair bit of talk about wanting him last season to replace Smith when we were struggling, that was nonsense too

Hopefully the media myth making about Sam can stop. The same cartel of English dinosaurs needs to stop. This was always going to end in tears. Hope he never gets a major job in English football again. 

[villalad21]

36 minutes ago, The_Steve said:

Hopefully the media myth making about Sam can stop. The same cartel of English dinosaurs needs to stop. This was always going to end in tears. Hope he never gets a major job in English football again. 

Only difference between Sam and Dyche is Dyche gets results.

But it's still the same dull, boring football.

[villa4europe]

1 hour ago, villalad21 said:

Only difference between Sam and Dyche is Dyche gets results.

But it's still the same dull, boring football.

The difference between Sam and dyche is that dyche doesn't have pals high up in the media who push the agenda of him being a good manager who specialises in keeping shit teams up 

Dyche doesn't have the same pull

Its the media angle and the old boys club element that pisses me off with Sam and Bruce etc not just the brand of football, they're piss in your pocket whilst sky tells you it's raining 

No doubt baggies are lucky Sam came in and gave it a go but it was just too much work for even him

Edited May 22, 2021 by villa4europe

[VillaChris]

Dyche would get jobs higher up if he played  better football.

Zero chance imo Leicester will consider him when they eventually need to replace Rodgers and that's really the sort of job he should be in the frame for by now but a long way off.

[HanoiVillan]

7 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

Dyche would get jobs higher up if he played  better football.

Zero chance imo Leicester will consider him when they eventually need to replace Rodgers and that's really the sort of job he should be in the frame for by now but a long way off.

Maybe, but on the other hand maybe Burnley would be relegated if he attempted to get them playing 'better' football.

What they do works well enough. Premier League teams rarely face direct teams, so sometimes, even though they know it's Burnley, they aren't prepared. Burnley get enough points from those games to stay up. How that skillset would translate to a bigger club, I don't think anyone knows.

[VillaChris]

12 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Maybe, but on the other hand maybe Burnley would be relegated if he attempted to get them playing 'better' football.

What they do works well enough. Premier League teams rarely face direct teams, so sometimes, even though they know it's Burnley, they aren't prepared. Burnley get enough points from those games to stay up. How that skillset would translate to a bigger club, I don't think anyone knows.

I've said it before though clubs look at all sorts of things but generally if quality of football can upscale or not. Hence why Everton took Martinez when Wigan had just been relegated and although he didn't do amazing there he did no worse than Ancelotti or Marco Silva over his seasons.

I think Graham Potter is far more likely to get a top half prem job in next 2-3 years than Dyche imo. Clubs will be looking aswell at Burnley quickly going out of europe while Ostersunds had a really good run and narrowly lost to Arsenal.

Rodgers at Swansea could've just played played long ball or defensive but he risked an expansive style and got Swansea to 11th in premier league and got the Liverpool job on back of it.

Think Dyche is one of those, give him 150m and he'd just sign players to play exactly the same way he does now, better version of Wood to just knock balls up to all game, hard workers in midfield etc.

McLeish had a bigger budget in his one season here than for many years at SHA and he played exactly the same way as he did there...

It's a bit like Pulis at Stoke having that flurry when he signed Tuncay, Owen, Eidur Gudjohnsen and Wilson Palacios. O.k some of those were a bit passed it but they were still hyped up as Pulis attempting to get Stoke to play through the lines more or whatever but in the end they basically all benchwarmed or quickly left and was back to the Delap long throw by the end of the season.

When you've been managing 15-20 years there's little desire to change so that's why clubs generally look for managers in first 5-10 years of management when more opened to change as we did with DS.

[HanoiVillan]

1 minute ago, VillaChris said:

I've said it before though clubs look at all sorts of things but generally if quality of football can upscale or not. Hence why Everton took Martinez when Wigan had just been relegated and although he didn't do amazing there he did no worse than Ancelotti or Marco Silva over his seasons.

I think Graham Potter is far more likely to get a top half prem job in next 2-3 years than Dyche imo. Clubs will be looking aswell at Burnley quickly going out of europe while Ostersunds had a really good run and narrowly lost to Arsenal.

Rodgers at Swansea could've just played played long ball or defensive but he risked an expansive style and got Swansea to 11th in premier league and got the Liverpool job on back of it.

Think Dyche is one of those, give him 150m and he'd just sign players to play exactly the same way he does now, better version of Wood to just knock balls up to all game, hard workers in midfield etc.

McLeish had a bigger budget in his one season here than for many years at SHA and he played exactly the same way as he did there...

It's a bit like Pulis at Stoke having that flurry when he signed Tuncay, Owen, Eidur Gudjohnsen and Wilson Palacios. O.k some of those were a bit passed it but they were still hyped up as Pulis attempting to get Stoke to play through the lines more or whatever but in the end they basically all benchwarmed or quickly left and was back to the Delap long throw by the end of the season.

When you've been managing 15-20 years there's little desire to change so that's why clubs generally look for managers in first 5-10 years of management when more opened to change as we did with DS.

Good points! I'm certainly not saying I would bet on Dyche being a success, and I agree that he's very unlikely to be given the chance anyway.

[useless]

I don't think Burnley's football is anywhere as near as bad as some make out, especially when it gets compared to Stoke under Pullis and similar. A lot of the time they're very direct and play a lot of long balls, but when they want to be they're very decent at passing it around as well, which is why at another club with more resources I wouldn't be so sure that Dyche would play the same way.

Also don't mind a few teams playing like Burnley do, would be boring if all teams played, or tried to play the same.

 

[VillaChris]

2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Good points! I'm certainly not saying I would bet on Dyche being a success, and I agree that he's very unlikely to be given the chance anyway.

I said last night I'd love to see Wilder get a shot at Wolves.

Team in europe in recent times so good opportunity and arguably most ready made team in prem for him given they've looked more effective than Sheffield playing 3-5-2 in last 3-4 years.

What do you think the chances of that happening though are? Very little I'd say and part of that would be image aswell, chest thumping Brexit FC as oppossed to suave and considered Nuno so that sort of appointment would massively turn off their fanbase who will now be demanding top manager from the continent for every appointment rather than going back to Mick McCarthy types from a decade ago.

[HanoiVillan]

1 minute ago, VillaChris said:

I said last night I'd love to see Wilder get a shot at Wolves.

Team in europe in recent times so good opportunity and arguably most ready made team in prem for him given they've looked more effective than Sheffield playing 3-5-2 in last 3-4 years.

What do you think the chances of that happening though are? Very little I'd say and part of that would be image aswell, chest thumping Brexit FC as oppossed to suave and considered Nuno so that sort of appointment would massively turn off their fanbase who will now be demanding top manager from the continent for every appointment rather than going back to Mick McCarthy types from a decade ago.

Oh yeah, I completely agree, the fans would hate it. I do see the logic behind the suggestion, as not many teams play 3-5-2 but both Nuno and Wilder have managed to get it working well at times. But I think @villa4europe also made a good point that the players might hate it too. Though it doesn't always make sense why, clubs do have certain 'cultures' and 'playing styles' and people within the game buy into them as much or more even than the fans do IMO.

Dragging this discussion back to Albion, I think this is part of their problem; they've shifted styles and approaches so many times over the last ten years that it's hard to know what type of football they're set up for now. They actually have a long reputation for playing fast, attacking football, and a manager that sets them up that way will at least get a bit of appreciation from the fans you'd think, but as always in the Championship they might be out after a dozen games.

[The Fun Factory]

2 hours ago, VillaChris said:

I've said it before though clubs look at all sorts of things but generally if quality of football can upscale or not. Hence why Everton took Martinez when Wigan had just been relegated and although he didn't do amazing there he did no worse than Ancelotti or Marco Silva over his seasons.

I think Graham Potter is far more likely to get a top half prem job in next 2-3 years than Dyche imo. Clubs will be looking aswell at Burnley quickly going out of europe while Ostersunds had a really good run and narrowly lost to Arsenal.

Rodgers at Swansea could've just played played long ball or defensive but he risked an expansive style and got Swansea to 11th in premier league and got the Liverpool job on back of it.

Think Dyche is one of those, give him 150m and he'd just sign players to play exactly the same way he does now, better version of Wood to just knock balls up to all game, hard workers in midfield etc.

McLeish had a bigger budget in his one season here than for many years at SHA and he played exactly the same way as he did there...

It's a bit like Pulis at Stoke having that flurry when he signed Tuncay, Owen, Eidur Gudjohnsen and Wilson Palacios. O.k some of those were a bit passed it but they were still hyped up as Pulis attempting to get Stoke to play through the lines more or whatever but in the end they basically all benchwarmed or quickly left and was back to the Delap long throw by the end of the season.

When you've been managing 15-20 years there's little desire to change so that's why clubs generally look for managers in first 5-10 years of management when more opened to change as we did with DS.

Yes. Same with us and MON. He would have bought similar players for less money had gone to a smaller club than Villa. Had we brought in a proper coach and recruitment strategy back in 2006 rather than 2018 then we really could have been the so called big 6.

[pas5898]

Quick thanks to West Brom for giving us their academy, which we have obviously improved further. 

Maybe we should send them a FA youth Cup medal?

 

[Wainy316]

1 minute ago, pas5898 said:

Quick thanks to West Brom for giving us their academy, which we have obviously improved further. 

Maybe we should send them a FA youth Cup medal?

 

Who else did we take from there apart from Barry?

[useless]

Afoka, Raikhy, and Young all came from West Brom, Kyrie Pierre who we've just signed from Bristol Rovers was also part of West Brom's academy based in Bristol when he was younger.

We also took their Head of Academy Mark Harrison, their Head of Talent Stephen Hopcroft, and Mike Scott our U16 manager was also with them at one point, there are others as well.

[Rds1983]

1 hour ago, Wainy316 said:

Who else did we take from there apart from Barry?

Nah, Barry came to us from La Masia. 

[useless]

 

[Jimzk5]

15 minutes ago, useless said:

 

Wow

[sidcow]

18 minutes ago, useless said:

 

Wagner? 

[Villaphan04]