Stevo985 Posted November 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: bielsa on the 5 man shortlist for fifa world coach of the year alongside klopp, zidane, lopetegui and flick i think thats a reflection that some of the biggest clubs in europe are going through the motions in their leagues with some relatively average managers, tuchel and sarri for example but no nomination for the atalanta coach is a bit shit It's utterly utterly ludicrous that Bielsa is on that list. He got Leeds promoted. Fine it 's a good achievement. Has any other manager in history been nominated for that achievement. Nuno's promotion with Wolves and their following season was far more impressive. Did he get nominated? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Farcically this is Bielsa 3rd nomination in 10 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I think it's for the calendar year rather than season, so he's been nominated based on the last 21 games of the Championship season and the first 9 of this season. So in his defence he did outperform Bilic by 10 points over that period of the 19/20 Championship. 3 points more than Wigan isn't very impressive though, Paul Cook is probably a bit hard done by to not get a nomination if Bielsa got one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It's utterly utterly ludicrous that Bielsa is on that list. He got Leeds promoted. Fine it 's a good achievement. Has any other manager in history been nominated for that achievement. Nuno's promotion with Wolves and their following season was far more impressive. Did he get nominated? its echoing the belief of sky and a lot of our media that he is genuinely doing something that has never been done before to which nuno did promotion and the PL better, wilder hit the PL better and smith got a mid table team promoted quicker than bielsa i dont want to sound like im suggesting that what he's done isnt good and that he shouldnt be applauded for it its the ignoring of everything thats been achieved before by others thats baffling saw a suggestion that he's on the list because leeds got back to the PL for the first time in 20 years, im not sure how that plays any significance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: its echoing the belief of sky and a lot of our media that he is genuinely doing something that has never been done before to which nuno did promotion and the PL better, wilder hit the PL better and smith got a mid table team promoted quicker than bielsa i dont want to sound like im suggesting that what he's done isnt good and that he shouldnt be applauded for it its the ignoring of everything thats been achieved before by others thats baffling saw a suggestion that he's on the list because leeds got back to the PL for the first time in 20 years, im not sure how that plays any significance Taken from the nominations website. That's their sole reason. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Taken from the nominations website. That's their sole reason. Did David Wagner get nominated for bringing Huddersfield back for the 1st time in about 40 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 that's not relevant! you cant elevate his success on the basis that his predecessors were shit he's one of the top 5 managers in the world because he did something that 3 managers a year do, 2 other managers did it this year too, he did a better job than steve evans, well done mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, villa4europe said: that's not relevant! you cant elevate his success on the basis that his predecessors were shit he's one of the top 5 managers in the world because he did something that 3 managers a year do, 2 other managers did it this year too, he did a better job than steve evans, well done mate Where do you stop with the bar. Ainsworth at Wycombe achieved something greater for me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 14 hours ago, MrSmirch said: Football is a game of deceit, do whatever you can to win (or get a point). Indeed, the other day I was trying to think of another sport where players go out of their way to cheat as much as in football and I struggled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 58 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Indeed, the other day I was trying to think of another sport where players go out of their way to cheat as much as in football and I struggled. Cycling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Yeah, completely baffling as to why Bielsa has been chosen there. Utterly bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: that's not relevant! you cant elevate his success on the basis that his predecessors were shit he's one of the top 5 managers in the world because he did something that 3 managers a year do, 2 other managers did it this year too, he did a better job than steve evans, well done mate If anything it lessens the achievement in a way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I mean, it's literally just a popularity award isn't it. He's popular with journalists and people in the football industry think he's a good manager. Bielsa appears to be entering the rarefied realm occupied by the likes of Beyonce where everything he does is praised as genius and given 5 star reviews, no matter what it is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Did I fall asleep and wake up on April 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I mean, it's literally just a popularity award isn't it. He's popular with journalists and people in the football industry think he's a good manager. Bielsa appears to be entering the rarefied realm occupied by the likes of Beyonce where everything he does is praised as genius and given 5 star reviews, no matter what it is. Bielsa plays an attacking and entertaining brand of football which makes him likable. Leeds is always an entertaining watch. Much like us. Very rarely plays boring and dull games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Bielsa plays an attacking and entertaining brand of football which makes him likable. Leeds is always an entertaining watch. Much like us. Very rarely plays boring and dull games. Sure, I don't disagree, but you can say that about quite a lot of managers. Certainly you can say it about Atalanta, who managed to achieve that in their country's top flight and in the Champions League. EDIT: I think I'm not making my point very clearly, but I think we're witnessing a 'bandwagon effect', where talking about Bielsa's genius is a way that people in the football industry signal to each other that they have Opinions That Should Be Taken Seriously. Edited November 25, 2020 by HanoiVillan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Kalvin Phillips' range of passing is an absolute joke. Pin point every **** time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Phillips is everything they said Declan Rice was, but he is actually delivering. Abomination of a haircut though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I do love watching their games. End to end nonsense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Bielsa keep getting a lot out of very little 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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