villalad21 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, Zatman said: Leeds spent the majority of them 30 years outside the top flight Football started in 1992 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, tinker said: Maybe but most fans who have watched football over the last 30 years will know Leeds and us 'belong' in the premier League , Maybe 'belong' is the wrong expression to use. Let's just say we bring more to the premier league than a 50% of clubs who are in it atm. I kinda grew up with the PL. Think the first season I actually can remember was 93. Personally however I can't say I associate them with the PL. They are like Ipswich, Blackburn or Charlton to me. I think what people remember is just them spunking money they didn't have for 5 minutes of CL fame. I know they have a relatively big fan base where I come from. Can't really figure out why. They must have won something when English football started on the radio in the 60/70s. But based on the average age, that fan base will die out by 2040. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rino8 Posted September 22, 2020 Visiting Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 Is there a more boring and dead discussion than X club deserves this because of X thing? I honestly don't care. Its nice that Leeds as a city have a premier league club again. Its nice that a well supported club are back in the top league but it doesn't really matter. Until recently we didn't deserve to even be close to the prem. Like when you got relegated a couple of seasons ago, if youre shite you don't deserve to be there. Hopefully we stay up this year and we can hear the end of this 'back where we belong' nonsense that the media are pumping out. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: Football started in 1992 They've also spent more time in their entire history out of the top flight than in it if you prefer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 It would've been very interesting to see their style of play in our game yesterday (having a man sent off vs them, and the other team going very defensive with two banks of 4 defending) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted September 22, 2020 Visiting Supporter Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: It would've been very interesting to see their style of play in our game yesterday (having a man sent off vs them, and the other team going very defensive with two banks of 4 defending) That was about 80% of the championship tbh. Its not that interesting, we waste 25 chances and scrape some shite 1-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Rino8 said: Is there a more boring and dead discussion than X club deserves this because of X thing? I honestly don't care. Its nice that Leeds as a city have a premier league club again. Its nice that a well supported club are back in the top league but it doesn't really matter. Until recently we didn't deserve to even be close to the prem. Like when you got relegated a couple of seasons ago, if youre shite you don't deserve to be there. Hopefully we stay up this year and we can hear the end of this 'back where we belong' nonsense that the media are pumping out. Its not just the media spitting bull **** tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 22, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 22, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Rino8 said: Is there a more boring and dead discussion than X club deserves this because of X thing? I honestly don't care. Its nice that Leeds as a city have a premier league club again. Its nice that a well supported club are back in the top league but it doesn't really matter. Until recently we didn't deserve to even be close to the prem. Like when you got relegated a couple of seasons ago, if youre shite you don't deserve to be there. Hopefully we stay up this year and we can hear the end of this 'back where we belong' nonsense that the media are pumping out. Exactly right, that, well said. You can extrapolate that as well - the whole media thing on "the big clubs" = as in "Grealish [or whoever] should move to a big club" - it's the same thing, the same mindset - everything is fixed in some sort of order, when it absolutely isn't. Leeds, or Villa or any Club could go down, suffer from bad ownership, poor choices, mismanagement..etc. and end up scrubbing around the lower reaches of whatever division. It's not permanent, it's the ever changing nature of the leagues. It is nice that Leeds with a big fanbase are back, but if another club with a big fanbase falls away, c'est la vie. It's the whole point of the thing. Sporting merit, not "they won last year and have a media friendly manager" . Edited September 23, 2020 by blandy typo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Rino8 said: Is there a more boring and dead discussion than X club deserves this because of X thing? I honestly don't care. Its nice that Leeds as a city have a premier league club again. Its nice that a well supported club are back in the top league but it doesn't really matter. Until recently we didn't deserve to even be close to the prem. Like when you got relegated a couple of seasons ago, if youre shite you don't deserve to be there. Was reading earlier that they've been linked with Erick Pulgar who may be (inexplicably, to my mind) surplus to requirements in the new-look Fiorentina midfield. Would be a really, really smart pick up for them, he's one of those water-carrier players that you don't particularly notice but just goes about putting shifts in and can be an absolute brick wall at times, in a high-pressing side he'd be very handy. Never going to create much from open-play but has a laser-sight on his boots for dead balls. Honestly don't know why Fiorentina would want rid of until they've at least bedded in the new midfield (and even then he'd a good option off the bench to close games down). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Talk they're signing Diego Llorente from Real Sociedad, 27 year old CB. He's a pretty good player, played for Spain a few times and a regular for La Real in top half of la liga until he got injured halfway through last season. Surprised he hasn't regained his place but their way is always to promote younger players into first 11 and the defence kept a clean sheet v Real Madrid on Sunday. And 20m + is too good to turn down as think his contract runs out in 18 months. Easily better than Liam Cooper although given he's captain you'll probably put him instead of the german guy who can act another cover. Think this will be another smart signing from Leeds, certainly got the quality to be a good defender in premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Sam-AVFC said: Bournemouth were no great loss, I just don't buy into the 'belonging' point of view. Once you put every team in the PL that people reckon belongs there you end up with more than 20. . . . and as I keep saying to people who want to have this conversation - if you could get your absolute, perfect Premier League, with the 20 most 'deserving' teams in pride of place, then . . . at the end of the season 3 of them would still be relegated anyway. Dunno why people bother with it, it's a stupid conversation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 10 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: . . . and as I keep saying to people who want to have this conversation - if you could get your absolute, perfect Premier League, with the 20 most 'deserving' teams in pride of place, then . . . at the end of the season 3 of them would still be relegated anyway. Dunno why people bother with it, it's a stupid conversation. I wonder what was the premier league season with the most traditional 'Big Clubs'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: I wonder what was the premier league season with the most traditional 'Big Clubs'. You're trying to reel me in, and I'm not going to bite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, HanoiVillan said: You're trying to reel me in, and I'm not going to bite! Haha i'm guessing its some point in the 90's, with Us, Sunderland, Baggies (urgh), Forest, Leeds etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, VillaJ100 said: I wonder what was the premier league season with the most traditional 'Big Clubs'. I think this season is pretty close. We got rid of three “less traditional clubs” in one shot last year. I know it’s not political correct but I’m much happier watching Everton v Leeds than say Everton v Norwich. I get proper bored when super Sunday has no big names..I mean...Huddersfield!! Who ever wanted them in the Premier? Of course football needs to have integrity but we all know who the big clubs are and the Premier is a better place when those clubs are in good shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 56 minutes ago, MarkLillis said: I think this season is pretty close. We got rid of three “less traditional clubs” in one shot last year. I know it’s not political correct but I’m much happier watching Everton v Leeds than say Everton v Norwich. I get proper bored when super Sunday has no big names..I mean...Huddersfield!! Who ever wanted them in the Premier? Of course football needs to have integrity but we all know who the big clubs are and the Premier is a better place when those clubs are in good shape. Kind of agree. I mean Bournemouth v Brighton doesn't have the same weight as even Sunderland v Shef Wed. Even though those two teams are way past their glory days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Nobody except the fans cared so much about Leeds vs Nottingham Forest or Newcastle vs Sheffield Wednesday when they were Championship clubs Not sure why the division matters, would people tune into Benfica vs Ajax in Champions League if Man City vs RB Leipzig was on at a similar time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rjw63 Posted September 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2020 18 hours ago, blandy said: Exactly right, that, well said. You can extrapolate that as well - the whole media thing on "the big clubs" = as in "Grealish [or whoever] should move to a big club" - it's the same thing, the same mindset - everything is fixed in some sort of order, when it absolutely isn't. Leeds, or Villa or any Club could go down, suffer from bad ownership, poor choices, mismanagement..etc. and end up scrubbing around the lower reaches of whatever division. It's not permanent, it's the ever changing nature of the leagues. It is nice that Leeds with a big fanbase are back, but if another club with a big fanbase falls away, chest la vie. It's the whole point of the thing. Sporting merit, not "they won last year and have a media friendly manager" . 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 32 minutes ago, Zatman said: Nobody except the fans cared so much about Leeds vs Nottingham Forest or Newcastle vs Sheffield Wednesday when they were Championship clubs Not sure why the division matters, would people tune into Benfica vs Ajax in Champions League if Man City vs RB Leipzig was on at a similar time Cant agree with the first line myself, as a child of the 70s and 80s all of those clubs have a certain pull about them. I would happily watch them play each other in the Championship (provided there aren't bigger or better matches available) although its less attractive without fans in the ground. However, you have a point about the CL and I really struggle to be motivated by the majority of matches involving only continental clubs....so yes I would most probably pick the Man City game. Back on topic... Whatever is said about Leeds (for my generation anyway...) they will always be relevant*. *For the record I don't think they are a big club, or back where they belong either ;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Their squad is definitely strong enoygh to stay up with the signing of llorente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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