TrentVilla Posted August 27, 2016 Moderator Share Posted August 27, 2016 8 hours ago, Villaphan04 said: He said nothing disrespectful, Bennett has done very well out of his time at Villa given what he has contributed, he should perhaps remember that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Coward trying to change his story, saying it was aimed at fans. Yeah right. Shouldn't be surprised, he was a coward on the pitch as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: He hasn't been "chatting shit" though has he? Sheffield Wednesday didn't want to pay all of his wages, Joe didn't want to drop his wages. Why should Aston Villa cover those wages? It's a nonsense. Joe Bennett is, in a nutshell, everything that is wrong with football. I'm glad to see it being aired in public, about time. I get that we're all Villa fans, not Joe Bennett fans, but my point is it's not surprising that if we have a chairman who releases information to the public that is not normally shared with the public - and we do, and then some - then it's hardly surprising if people who feel their privacy has been violated moan about him in public either. At the end of the day, the point of contracts is to bind club and player together. Both have responsibilities to each other. You say 'why should Aston Villa agree to cover his wages', he says 'why should I move house and family across the country for a new job on less money for the convenience of Aston Villa'. I don't see how or why encountering this conflict of interest makes him 'in a nutshell, everything that is wrong with football'. EDIT: Having now read the post above this one, it now seems like the discussion may be moot anyway. Edited August 27, 2016 by HanoiVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: I get that we're all Villa fans, not Joe Bennett fans, but my point is it's not surprising that if we have a chairman who releases information to the public that is not normally shared with the public - and we do, and then some - then it's hardly surprising if people who feel their privacy has been violated moan about him in public either. At the end of the day, the point of contracts is to bind club and player together. Both have responsibilities to each other. You say 'why should Aston Villa agree to cover his wages', he says 'why should I move house and family across the country for a new job on less money for the convenience of Aston Villa'. I don't see how or why encountering this conflict of interest makes him 'in a nutshell, everything that is wrong with football'. EDIT: Having now read the post above this one, it now seems like the discussion may be moot anyway. Why should he move for the convenience of Aston Villa? Is this a real question? If he wants to move then it's for his career, if he doesn't want to move then accept you have no part to play and keep quiet and train. Him leaving isn't for our convenience it's for his benefit, so he does have to move his family if they're the only club that are willing to match his wage demands. It's not up to us to ensure that players like bennett are well looked after when leaving. As you said, he signed a contract so we owe him nothing more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 38 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Why should he move for the convenience of Aston Villa? Is this a real question? If he wants to move then it's for his career, if he doesn't want to move then accept you have no part to play and keep quiet and train. Him leaving isn't for our convenience it's for his benefit, so he does have to move his family if they're the only club that are willing to match his wage demands. It's not up to us to ensure that players like bennett are well looked after when leaving. As you said, he signed a contract so we owe him nothing more than that. The following is my understanding of the situation around the early conclusion of a player's contract. It may be wrong, please feel free to correct me if it is. A contract is for a set period of time. If one of the parties causes the break of the contract, they suffer a financial penalty. There are three possible parties who can have to pay a penalty - the player if he forces a move (I'm not aware of Joe Bennett handing in a transfer request, but I may be wrong - please correct me if so), the club purchasing a player in the case of a buyer (this is what a transfer fee is) and the selling club, if the player stands to lose income as a result of a transfer they haven't requested. The good thing in the Bennett situation is that we seem to have moved from situation 3 to situation 2 (possibly with the transfer fee waived? - I don't know if Cardiff have paid anything), though without knowing the details of his contracts it's impossible to say for sure. I don't see what it is about this that makes Bennett 'in a nutshell, everything that is wrong with football'. Edited August 27, 2016 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 27, 2016 Moderator Share Posted August 27, 2016 9 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't see what it is about this that makes Bennett 'in a nutshell, everything that is wrong with football'. I agree with your wider stance, but there is part of me that that sees a different view HV. I think the "wrong with football" part is that (in general) players earn such huge sums, that supporters maybe feel, that yes, while a player may be contractually entitled to stay put and pick up the contracted huge sums for sitting in the reserves, maybe from a sporting perspective, fans want to see a sport where players understand their privilege and that they have wonderful jobs as well as wonderful salaries and that moving clubs to be able to play the game every week, whilst only earning what most people earn in a year, say, every 10 days, instead of every 7 days isn't such a bad price to pay at all. That they'll still be fabulously rewarded athletes and maybe sounding off on twitter about how bad it all is, is y'know, a bit much? Legally you're spot on, it's the sporting ethos part where our argument falls down a bit. Anyway, good luck to Joe Bennett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, blandy said: I agree with your wider stance, but there is part of me that that sees a different view HV. I think the "wrong with football" part is that (in general) players earn such huge sums, that supporters maybe feel, that yes, while a player may be contractually entitled to stay put and pick up the contracted huge sums for sitting in the reserves, maybe from a sporting perspective, fans want to see a sport where players understand their privilege and that they have wonderful jobs as well as wonderful salaries and that moving clubs to be able to play the game every week, whilst only earning what most people earn in a year, say, every 10 days, instead of every 7 days isn't such a bad price to pay at all. That they'll still be fabulously rewarded athletes and maybe sounding off on twitter about how bad it all is, is y'know, a bit much? Legally you're spot on, it's the sporting ethos part where our argument falls down a bit. Anyway, good luck to Joe Bennett. There's certainly a moral point in here somewhere, although I'm not completely convinced, on three counts: firstly, it seems harsh to me to make Joe Bennett an avatar for the entire economic operation of football. Secondly, I don't see why Xia discussing these things on Twitter is fine and dandy, but Bennett replying is 'sounding off' and 'a bit much'. The other thing I was bristling at in the first place was that it seemed to me people were suggesting that Xia's motives are entirely pure while Bennett's only motive could be avarice. However, I'm going to leave it there, as if I had to pick a hill to die on, it wouldn't be 'defending Joe Bennett's reputation', and I have an IKEA sofa to assemble, so I'll back online sometime in the spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I'd be surprised if you had to pay the difference for all players if they move onto a lower paid contract. I'm sure what ever agreements are in place could be waived by the player to get the move. In the case of bennett he didn't seem to want to do that. And none of that explains why he was moving for our convenience and nothing to do with furthering his own career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoe Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) On ya bike you turd. Loving Tony's work thus far. Clearing out ALL the shit Edited August 27, 2016 by roscoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Nice tackle, almost got the ball... That's a Neil Taylor bad challenge. Hope he get's a very long suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 That is at least a 10-game ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, NoelVilla said: That is at least a 10-game ban. And that's not even the challenge he got sent off for... Mental from Lee Mason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 No wonder Guardiola was going ape shit at the end of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Typical scrub move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Nothing like a good reducer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Still shit then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I bet Warnock said Sane dived. Prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Disgusting challenge. Should get a 3 match ban for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 He's so shit he can't even foul properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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