Guest av1 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dick said: I bet Warnock said Sane dived. Prick. Just heard his interview. BBC But Bennett's boss Neil Warnock said such tackles should be expected in English football. Warnock was responding to Man City manager Pep Guardiola's criticism of Bennett's foulwith Sane set to be out injured as a result of it for up to a month. "They dished it out a bit, they had one or two naughty tackles," Warnock said. "He (Guardiola) is in England, what do you expect? "I suppose when you're like that, you want everything to be nice, pretty and perfect. "But you don't get that here, you get different challenges." Edited January 29, 2018 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 In fairness, I don't think the challenge is intentionally a leg breaker. He should've been sent off for it, of course, but he's clearly just trying to end Sane's run, not injure him. Naturally, the latter happened and it was a bad tackle - but "hope he gets a very long suspension" is bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, bobzy said: In fairness, I don't think the challenge is intentionally a leg breaker. He should've been sent off for it, of course, but he's clearly just trying to end Sane's run, not injure him. Naturally, the latter happened and it was a bad tackle - but "hope he gets a very long suspension" is bonkers. His intention is irrelevant imo. If you go in that recklessly with your studs up, you should know that you're probably going to injure him very badly. "Well, I didn't mean to" doesn't really come into it. It's the recklessness that's being punished and not the malice behind it that may or may not be there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Keyblade said: His intention is irrelevant imo. If you go in that recklessly with your studs up, you should know that you're probably going to injure him very badly. "Well, I didn't mean to" doesn't really come into it. It's the recklessness that's being punished and not the malice behind it that may or may not be there. When you're running at full pelt and making a last ditch challenge it's rare, in my small and unqualified opinion, that you have time to think at all. You just do, and occasionally you get it wrong. Red card yes, but that's where it should end, I'd suggest that 99% of bad tackles are not premeditated in any way, you have to go back to Roy Keane's days to find intentional leg-breakers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 29, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, Keyblade said: His intention is irrelevant imo. If you go in that recklessly with your studs up, you should know that you're probably going to injure him very badly. "Well, I didn't mean to" doesn't really come into it. It's the recklessness that's being punished and not the malice behind it that may or may not be there. I agree that intent shouldn't' be a factor, whichever way you look at it. You can't be let off a horror challenge because you didn't mean to, if nothing else for the reason as how would you ever prove it? Similarly you can't punish someone for a less rash challenge because you think they were trying to do more damage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 hours ago, av1 said: Just heard his interview. BBC Cardiff isn't in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, Keyblade said: His intention is irrelevant imo. If you go in that recklessly with your studs up, you should know that you're probably going to injure him very badly. "Well, I didn't mean to" doesn't really come into it. It's the recklessness that's being punished and not the malice behind it that may or may not be there. Right - which is why I've said I thought it should have been a red card. It's just not that bad a tackle, though. On a scale of 'standard red card' to 'horror tackle', it's completely at the 'standard red card' end of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Cardiff isn't in England. Does the article say it is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, bobzy said: Right - which is why I've said I thought it should have been a red card. It's just not that bad a tackle, though. On a scale of 'standard red card' to 'horror tackle', it's completely at the 'standard red card' end of things. I don't know, it's pretty bad on my scale. It's not Suarez two-footer level bad, but it's pretty bad. Even if you take intent into account, you can't even really argue in Bennett's favour either. If indeed he simply wanted to impede Sane there were less dangerous ways he could have done it. The most common and least malicious (and probably the easiest) way is to clip his legs from the side or from behind if you're too far back like Lansbury tried to do when he got sent off. Even if you mis-time it like he did because he's slow as ****, the worst you'll do is maybe kick his shin if you're coming from the side like Bennett was. Yellow card at worst. But what does he do? He goes straight in, studs up with the opposite leg. You can make a good case for malintent there tbh. You could make a case for going for the ball like that, but the ball was already gone. If he was aiming squarely for the player, that's a pretty nasty way to do so imo. Edited January 29, 2018 by Keyblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 At least Bennet went straight out on Twitter and apologized to Sane and City. Still it's a horrible challenge and it's pure luck that Sane isn't out for the season and the WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Keyblade said: I don't know, it's pretty bad on my scale. It's not Suarez two-footer level bad, but it's pretty bad. Even if you take intent into account, you can't even really argue in Bennett's favour either. If indeed he simply wanted to impede Sane there were less dangerous ways he could have done it. The most common and least malicious (and probably the easiest) way is to clip his legs from the side or from behind if you're too far back like Lansbury tried to do when he got sent off. Even if you mis-time it like he did because he's slow as ****, the worst you'll do is maybe kick his shin if you're coming from the side like Bennett was. Yellow card at worst. But what does he do? He goes straight in, studs up with the opposite leg. You can make a good case for malintent there tbh. You could make a case for going for the ball like that, but the ball was already gone. If he was aiming squarely for the player, that's a pretty nasty way to do so imo. I think you're mis-remembering the incident tbh. Sane is absolutely rapid and is going past Bennett. Bennett jumps in from, basically, behind and to the side of the player. He has zero intent on trying to win the ball, it's gone. The only way he can catch him is using the leading leg, which he does. I don't, personally, think he intends to catch him with his studs - he's just trying to end his run. It's a red card, but the fuss is pretty ridiculous IMO. Compare this to the Harry Kane and Dele Alli challenges against Man City. Those are horrible, nasty tackles. Kane's in particular - from memory, he goes for the challenge then deliberately shoves his studs further into... maybe Sterling? This is nowhere near that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: I think you're mis-remembering the incident tbh. Sane is absolutely rapid and is going past Bennett. Bennett jumps in from, basically, behind and to the side of the player. He has zero intent on trying to win the ball, it's gone. The only way he can catch him is using the leading leg, which he does. I don't, personally, think he intends to catch him with his studs - he's just trying to end his run. It's a red card, but the fuss is pretty ridiculous IMO. Compare this to the Harry Kane and Dele Alli challenges against Man City. Those are horrible, nasty tackles. Kane's in particular - from memory, he goes for the challenge then deliberately shoves his studs further into... maybe Sterling? This is nowhere near that. Nah I watched it again before posting. It's possible that he already missed the window for cleanly tackling Sane due to Sane's speed and/or his own slow reactions. That window was here: Clip him with his right leg and he gets a yellow card for impeding and Sane likely doesn't get injured. But he took an extra step after this, and maybe he misjudged how rapid Sane was but at that point if the only option left is a very dangerous tackle...is it worth it? Poor decision, and obviously calls for a 10 game ban are crazy...but **** me if it wasn't dangerous and nasty. Agreed about the 2 Spurs tackles. There seemed to be intent behind both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Bennett is just a poor defender. No malice probably just poor technique 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 dirty little bastard, kicking players all night. Long way from the pathetic boy that was brushed over when he was here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Dirty little rat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Was having a pop at Snodgrass and Grealish all night. Gave Grealish a little slap on the cheek off the ball on 90 minutes, like the horrible little chump he is. Unlucky tonight Joe, dry your eyes, pies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Hated him while he was here; certainly don't hate him any less tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 He was shit when he was here and he's still shit now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Mantis said: He was shit when he was here and he's still shit now. And he's a sly thug too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 We should have given him more abuse than he got, dirty little toe rag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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