villa89 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 He wasn't good at Wigan either. He was a MOTD player. I said the same thing to one of my friends when we signed him. You see the odd flashy goal on MOTD and suddenly he is a £10m player. Actually watch him play and he's a £1m player. Who scouted this clown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Trent, do you think we will see Grealish starting soon after that performance from N'zog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 9, 2014 Moderator Share Posted December 9, 2014 I think we've tried playing him in just about every position other than defence and he has still been poor. Actually, think he has even been tried at LB Pretty sure Martinez let him do pretty much whatever he liked when he was at Wigan? Seem to remember him having a free role and cropping up on the left, the right and through the middle. Dont think he has been given as much freedom since he has been here but Martinez's style at Wigan with the 3-4-3 was very different I think he was good enough (relative to their other players) to be afforded that luxury , I don't think he is good enough for us to do the same personally and his form or contribution certainly haven't been. Trent, do you think we will see Grealish starting soon after that performance from N'zog? No not yet and personally I don't think he is ready to be starting games although I know I'm in a very small minority on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I think we've tried playing him in just about every position other than defence and he has still been poor. Actually, think he has even been tried at LB Pretty sure Martinez let him do pretty much whatever he liked when he was at Wigan? Seem to remember him having a free role and cropping up on the left, the right and through the middle. Dont think he has been given as much freedom since he has been here but Martinez's style at Wigan with the 3-4-3 was very different I think he was good enough (relative to their other players) to be afforded that luxury , I don't think he is good enough for us to do the same personally and his form or contribution certainly haven't been. Trent, do you think we will see Grealish starting soon after that performance from N'zog? No not yet and personally I don't think he is ready to be starting games although I know I'm in a very small minority on that one. I wouldnt write him off just yet, I actually though his performances were picking up and then he had the injury and missed a whole year. I'd play him against West Brom, for some reason he plays well against them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Even at Wigan he was just a "highlights on MOTD" type player, and my mate who's a Wigan season ticket holder and used to be a coach there told me we'd soon be fed up of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I was fed up of him before he joined 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) To be fair season before he got injured I think he had a number of "not bad" games for us, not world beating games, not Young/Downing games but looked like an assett to the side/squad at least. I thought in pre season he looked sharp, motivated and getting that player back would be a boost we needed in the attacking areas to help unlock defences. Unfortunatley pre season against lower league teams is very different to the premier league and he looks very much off the pace since his injury to me. I was hoping it was a fitness/getting up to speed again thing (I'm pretty sure Lambert was hoping the same) but he has had quite a few games now and little to no improvement. He used to be very good at beating his first man (he would then 9./10 run down a blind alley) but beating that man did open up space. If you watch him closely this season he is really struggling to go past anyone at all. Not sure if he has lost a yard of pace or what but dribbling (pretty much his only weapon0 seems to have been taken away from him. Edited December 9, 2014 by villaglint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Look up Charles, look up! Still holding the ball close to his feet and committing the defender rather than committing to passing the defender. Not been the most productive player for us, a bit of a **** up transfer wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Didn't he almost single handedly kept wigan in the PL one season, i remember one season when they were bottom of the table and doomed to go down then suddenly they just started to win evry game they played And N'Zogbia seemd to score all the match winning goals and was MOTM game after game. I always thought about this when judging him and ive never slated him thinking he is just lacking in confidence, he will come good in a few games etc But iam starting to lose patience, iam afraid he will never be what we all hoped he would be. Maybe it's time for him to find a new club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 One of two things will happen whenever he gets the ball. Either he gives away possession or he gives away a free kick, now I know the two are essentially the same thing but man, I've never in my life known anyone to give away as many free kicks as he does when he's in possession of the ball, it's frightening. He really is counter productive to anything we try and do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 i dont see what he brings to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I think the only way Charlie can be effective is to play him in a free role and absolve him from all defensive duties, which makes him the true definition of a "luxury player," I don't know if we can afford to have a player on the pitch who doesn't contribute to all phases of play. He is not and never will be any kind of defensive winger, he is a liability when asked to defend because all he knows how to do is manhandle, kick and foul. I think he was very lucky not to get a second yellow. He did something that angered me so much in the Leicester game. Gabby had done some good work to bring the ball into their half and just outside the eighteen yard box. He passed to N'Zogbia on the edge of the box. N'Zogbia left the pass short for Gabby, and he had to stretch to reach it and fell over. With two defenders over him and lying on the ground, Gabby still managed to swing his leg around and pass it back to N'Zogbia. And even though Richardson was wide open and available for the pass, N'Zogbia actually passed the ball back to Gabby who was still lying on the ground with two defenders standing over him. It was maybe the dumbest thing I have ever seen a footballer do, passing to a guy who is not even on his feet. Needless to say, we lost possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I've noticed something about N'Zog. He used to have a bit of a temper on him, arguing decisions and getting frustrated with others. Winding up the opposition and himself. He doesn't do that anymore. Perhaps he's matured, or perhaps his drive has gone. Either way his form had gone out of the window with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I thought we looked more dangerous with Grealish on,so id start him ahead of zog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Well we need the depth ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 He'd be a good rugby player with the way he finds touch in the opposition's half so often 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 N'Zogbia is a maverick and there's a need for a player of his type in the squad. Unpredictable, frustrating but capable of changing the game in an instant. I'd much rather we had him in the squad than another dependable journeyman. Like Detective Swallow- does he drive 80 miles a hour on the motorway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Never want to see this player in a Villa shirt again. **** useless. Grealish, Robinson or Bacuna much better options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Needs to find an end product....but so could a few of our forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Needs to find an end product.... Yep, throw in a beginning product and a middle product too and you'd have something that resembles a footballer! Edited December 9, 2014 by bannedfromHandV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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