Stevo985 Posted April 15 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15 (edited) 33 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: If we play the team and not the name, we should bury these. Doing the double on Chelsea and Arsenal plus winning at Spurs and beating Man City, all in one season? Yes please. Just need to hope we are fit and raring to go when we play them and not missing the cursory midfielder. Can't believe how quickly we've overtaken them. Back to back finishes above them now. Who saw that coming less than 18 months ago? Their business really has been utterly horrendous. The other startling thing is the manager situation. How many of us would have killed to have Poch as our manager when Gerrard left? I think even if we were given a choice of Poch or Emery most people would have chosen Poch Now look at us, I doubt there's a villa fan in the world who would swap managers Edited April 15 by Stevo985 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 45 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: If we play the team and not the name, we should bury these. Doing the double on Chelsea and Arsenal plus winning at Spurs and beating Man City, all in one season? Yes please. Just need to hope we are fit and raring to go when we play them and not missing the cursory midfielder. Can't believe how quickly we've overtaken them. Back to back finishes above them now. Who saw that coming less than 18 months ago? Just like we buried them in FA cup? They still have better squad than ours and it will take some Emery magic to beat them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 11 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: Just like we buried them in FA cup? They still have better squad than ours and it will take some Emery magic to beat them. No, like we buried them in the last 2 league games we.played them in as opposed to the freak cup game. Chelsea are miles behind us (again) because we are a much better side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 3 hours ago, The_Steve said: Utter corruption - selling hotels now to circumvent the rules Those were the hotels Ken Bates built to satisfy his ego in the 90s aren't they? Chelsea were going to sell them in 2003 as they'd have gone the same way as Leeds did if they weren't making CL that year, would've been a big fire sale of players aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 53 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: No, like we buried them in the last 2 league games we.played them in as opposed to the freak cup game. Chelsea are miles behind us (again) because we are a much better side. Chelsea were the better side when we played them away this season, game only changed after the red card for Gusto. I'm sure Emery and players won't be as cocky as you are and they won't underestimate them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, Czarnikjak said: Just like we buried them in FA cup? They still have better squad than ours and it will take some Emery magic to beat them. They really don't have a better squad than us. Watkins is better than anything they have upfront, miles better keeper and backline. Cole Palmer will win their POTY by a complete landslide but he plays in Bailey's position who's not far behind him with his goals and assist record (and he doesn't take penalties for us either). We won't just finish above Chelsea again as for the second successive season it will probably be a difference of over 15 points. Last season it was 17 points and could be the same this time even if they get up to 55 points. The FA cup match was a disappointment but ultimately our priorities lie in other competitions this season. Was also a bizarre opening ten minutes where basically we refuse to mark any of their players in the penalty area and they exposed that so would expect much more concentration in the league match. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 7 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Those were the hotels Ken Bates built to satisfy his ego in the 90s aren't they? Chelsea were going to sell them in 2003 as they'd have gone the same way as Leeds did if they weren't making CL that year, would've been a big fire sale of players aswell. The difference is the owners sold them to another company they own. It utterly stinks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 They’ve now got the second highest wage bill at £404m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 7 minutes ago, VillaChris said: They really don't have a better squad than us. Watkins is better than anything they have upfront, miles better keeper and backline. Cole Palmer will win their POTY by a complete landslide but he plays in Bailey's position who's not far behind him with his goals and assist record (and he doesn't take penalties for us either). We won't just finish above Chelsea again as for the second successive season it will probably be a difference of over 15 points. Last season it was 17 points and could be the same this time even if they get up to 55 points. The FA cup match was a disappointment but ultimately our priorities lie in other competitions this season. Was also a bizarre opening ten minutes where basically we refuse to mark any of their players in the penalty area and they exposed that so would expect much more concentration in the league match. Have to disagree about overall squad depth and quality. I think if Unai had Chelsea players at his disposal at Villa he could do more with them than with our current squad. The level of mismanagement at Chelsea is staggering, but the amount of talent they have is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 24 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: Chelsea were the better side when we played them away this season, game only changed after the red card for Gusto. I'm sure Emery and players won't be as cocky as you are and they won't underestimate them. Cocky? We are demonstrably better than them. As we were last sesson. Look at the table. Bloddy hell a bit of well placed positivity and you get shutdown for being "cocky". B*****ks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 23 minutes ago, VillaChris said: They really don't have a better squad than us. Watkins is better than anything they have upfront, miles better keeper and backline. Cole Palmer will win their POTY by a complete landslide but he plays in Bailey's position who's not far behind him with his goals and assist record (and he doesn't take penalties for us either). We won't just finish above Chelsea again as for the second successive season it will probably be a difference of over 15 points. Last season it was 17 points and could be the same this time even if they get up to 55 points. The FA cup match was a disappointment but ultimately our priorities lie in other competitions this season. Was also a bizarre opening ten minutes where basically we refuse to mark any of their players in the penalty area and they exposed that so would expect much more concentration in the league match. Totally agree with all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 10 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: Cocky? We are demonstrably better than them. As we were last sesson. Look at the table. Bloddy hell a bit of well placed positivity and you get shutdown for being "cocky". B*****ks. They were better than us in all 3 games we played this season (apart from the period when they went down to 10 men). I still think we have a good chance at beating them, but it's not gonna be easy "burying" them, that's all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: They were better than us in all 3 games we played this season (apart from the period when they went down to 10 men). I still think we have a good chance at beating them, but it's not gonna be easy "burying" them, that's all I'm saying. Just sums up where they are given they couldn't score in two of those games. They miss endless chances at key points in games and have a very soft centre in the backline when you look at that late goal they conceded at Sheffield United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 53 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: Have to disagree about overall squad depth and quality. I think if Unai had Chelsea players at his disposal at Villa he could do more with them than with our current squad. The level of mismanagement at Chelsea is staggering, but the amount of talent they have is impressive. the amount of talent they have is part of the problem...they cant feed the animal, they have a clown of an owner and the players know it, they phone it in and dont give a ****, poch isnt good enough a manager to do anything about it - and based purely on spurs all or nothing im not convinced he ever was that manager either which is madness - unai has had this before at arsenal, he did ok but getting them to rise above it and actually care is hard work, they do have a better squad than us in certain areas but that's only on paper, they can have as many talented youngsters as they like but if they play at 60% they're going nowhere i do think they're a couple of years away but they will be back, they do have a ton of potential, need to clear some deadwood and buy a goalscorer but they'll be ok long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: They’ve now got the second highest wage bill at £404m. That is nuts for a mid-table side. Surely their biggest game now is Man City in the cup. If Palmer can someone score and they fluke a Cup final that might be enough to keep Poch in the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 They've found another loophole lol. https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-contracts-wages-salary-fernandez-mudryk-premeir-league-2024-b1151510.html Quote Chelsea have exercised options to extend Enzo Fernandez and Mykhailo Mudryk’s long contracts into their 30s. FA documents have revealed Fernandez has eight years left on his £180,000-a-week deal which runs until 2032, while Mudryk has seven years on his £97,000-a-week deal until 2031. They can now amortise their contracts over a longer period of time. The new rules that came in limiting it to 5 years was for new contracts only, this is still an old contract pre-dating the new rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 15 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15 That's just bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 15 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15 In a thousand years they'll still be extending Mudryk's contract, because that is what they've always done. Eventually accountants will refer to some obscure, convoluted paper trick where you shift money around that doesn't really exist for the tax benefit in a strictly legal if unethical way as 'doing a Mudryk', named after the long forgotten Ukrainian forward who scored 5 goals in a thousand years after signing for Chelsea whilst their ownership was off it's face and high on mysterious fund money. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted April 15 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, ender4 said: They've found another loophole lol. https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-contracts-wages-salary-fernandez-mudryk-premeir-league-2024-b1151510.html They can now amortise their contracts over a longer period of time. The new rules that came in limiting it to 5 years was for new contracts only, this is still an old contract pre-dating the new rules. Jesus what a mess their making for the future. If they don't get results, revenue will drop. If players get injured long term, they have to pay extended contracts out and they won't have any money without selling players. The owners a complete clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 15 Moderator Share Posted April 15 Slippery as f*** this lot - the long contracts, the iffy-est of shirt sponsorship deals and selling their hotel to themselves for £60m in profit - they're right up there in terms of clubs who are 'gaming' the rules. And they're still making losses so large that they'll need to raise a fortune from player sales to comply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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