terrytini Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Assists shmassists I say .... Assist stats right up there with possession stats for being amongst the most worthless bits of information in football Also not overly into quoting career stats for a guy that's spent it in one of the worst sides to grace the Premier League. Three goals you say ? Isn't that still 25% of those scored when he's played lol. What were we getting, about a goal every 20 games ! Seen Sir Brian's name mentioned - played in a far far better side and yet was ALSO often criticised for lack of end product. Very few suggested not playing him though. IMO whilst there have been / may still be doubts over his temperament I struggle to see how anyone can doubt his talent. Criticising his contribution has more merit but as I've said, look at the shower of shite he's been stuck with. I think he has already looked very good at times this season and will get better and better the more he plays. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Plenty of excuses for minimal contribution - I bet if he had lots of goals and assists the stats wouldn't be so "meaningless" Less than a goal every 20 games and less than one assist every 10 games is not good enough He might turn into a decent player, he might not, lets hope he does 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted December 9, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2016 The lad is starting to do the right things. He seems more serious about his football and I like some of the things he is doing off the field too. Lets not go throwing the baby out with the bath water. He is 21 not 31. He irritates the absolute crap out of me sometimes but he still has not had a prolonged run of games. IMO I wouldn't even called him experienced yet. Wouldn't be surprised if when, and I mean when, we go back up that Grealish is an integral part of the new Premier League 'Villa' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 42 minutes ago, VillaCas said: He might turn into a decent player, he might not, lets hope he does I for one would be hugely disappointed if he became only a 'decent' player. Given the hype, the tug of war between england/Ireland and the billy big bollocks swagger he displays, I've always expected big things from jack. He's delivered in the smallest of moments. About time we produced some quality players who delivered. No, not everyone can turn put to be top players but if we're as big as a club as we make out to be then we must deliver more. At 21/22, there's no longer any more time to be sat on the fence balancing the chances of him maybe turning into a decent player. Start delivering. Simple as. Especially in thus utter shower of shit league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 On 08/12/2016 at 12:42, bannedfromHandV said: In fact, I'd suggest that the Championship is stronger than many top level divisions across Europe. Nonsense. It's awful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, Woodytom said: About time we produced some quality players who delivered. No, not everyone can turn put to be top players but if we're as big as a club as we make out to be then we must deliver more. I'd say it's actually easier for a smaller club to produce players as they can get more exposure within the first team. Who have city, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton etc. Produced the last few years who are top quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 33 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: I'd say it's actually easier for a smaller club to produce players as they can get more exposure within the first team. Who have city, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton etc. Produced the last few years who are top quality? Not sure what your point is? you're highlighting the failing of other clubs in a defence of ours. With the greatest respect, I couldn't give a monkey's toss who those teams have produced. What matters is that we have a fantastic infrastructure, top quality facilities, one of the most respected academies in the country and yet the transition to the first team is appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Nathan ake playing at Watford / Bournemouth on loan will probably skew the stat but if you just look at games for villa or Chelsea I'm pretty sure Jack has more prem appearances than the other 21 next gen final players combined theres definitely an issue, wouldn't agree that it's a villa issue alone though, it's everyone and you'd do well to convince me it's not money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Nathan ake playing at Watford / Bournemouth on loan will probably skew the stat but if you just look at games for villa or Chelsea I'm pretty sure Jack has more prem appearances than the other 21 next gen final players combined theres definitely an issue, wouldn't agree that it's a villa issue alone though, it's everyone and you'd do well to convince me it's not money I think Ake is awesome, potential to be a real class player there, he's well on the way in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Yeah he looks decent, one of the few youngsters in the last 2/3 years who has actually kicked a ball for Chelsea, with terry done and Cahill not young anymore there's a chance he could end up playing for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted December 9, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2016 On 08/12/2016 at 13:42, bannedfromHandV said: We are not in a "very poor" league. In fact, I'd suggest that the Championship is stronger than many top level divisions across Europe. Outside of Germany, Italy, Spain and France, there's probably not much that is clearly way above it in terms of quality. The top eredivisie sides are a cut above but not the whole league. Notice I did say "clearly", the championship itself is a mixed bag, the top and the bottom are streets apart but taken as a whol it's a very tough league. 46 games is stupid if you ask me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 In terms of attendances isn't he championship 4th most watched league in Europe? There are a lot of internationals in it now but having seen a fair bit of it now I would have to agree with WoodyTom....there is very little quality and generally the teams that do the basics well are at the top. We've only started doing the basics from mid October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) On 12/8/2016 at 17:06, blandy said: Brilliant observation. And on top of that, when a team has a "danger player" for whom the opposition tends to make special plans it almost always means that other players are effectively given more freedom/less attention. Just by playing these types of players it can bring benefit to the team, even if they don't appear to do that much in a particular game. Pete,You have a valid point....but in a world like ours full of measurement, it is difficult to quantify. The problem with it though is that you could make a case for every player on that basis.....unless you can define "danger player" in that context. A danger player to one fan is not a danger player to another unless he does something direct....like score, win a penalty or create an assist. Edited December 10, 2016 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 18 hours ago, Woodytom said: Nonsense. It's awful. This is nonsense. Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga and Serie A are clearly much stronger. There's a case for Ligue 1 too. The rest, though? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) The top teams in Russia, Portugal, Turkey, Holland, Belgium, (Denmark), Greece, Ukraine... are usually a step or 5 above the top championship teams any given season. As for the grey mass of teams making up the rest of the league, who knows? There is certainly more money in the Championship than in any other second tier league (and most first divisions too.) The thing that stands out for me watching the Championship is the general bad quality of basic technique and tactics compared to players in other countries. The tempo is a bit higher, but the simple mistakes are plentiful. From what I've seen (not much from either league to be honest) the Championship and zweite Bundesliga are about the same level, although very different kind of football. Edit: As for Grealish it is about time he finds a consistent level of performing now. I expect more from him. Edited December 10, 2016 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 10, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 10, 2016 1 hour ago, TRO said: Pete,You have a valid point....but in a world like ours full of measurement, it is difficult to quantify. The problem with it though is that you could make a case for every player on that basis.....unless you can define "danger player" in that context. A danger player to one fan is not a danger player to another unless he does something direct....like score, win a penalty or create an assist. I'm not talking about players that fans think are "dangerous - if I was, I'd agree TRO, but what I said was those "the opposition tends to make special plans [for]". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Big game for Jack today, he needs to step up and control our attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 4 hours ago, blandy said: I'm not talking about players that fans think are "dangerous - if I was, I'd agree TRO, but what I said was those "the opposition tends to make special plans [for]". Sorry Pete, misread your piece. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 If there is one area of Jack's game that does my nut in, its his unwillingness to shoot. Hopefully today's goal gives him a bit more confidence in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 10, 2016 Moderator Share Posted December 10, 2016 Showing signs that he is maturing and stepping up to the mark. Much needed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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