MakemineVanilla Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 11 hours ago, Demitri_C said: He looks miserable. At the moment he has to be down as one of the biggest flops in PL history. We told him he would hate it at city but he didnt listen. His problem The question is, who got it wrong? Had the standards at Villa been so low and for so long, that the fans mistook Jack for being a top player, or did Guardiola make the mistake of thinking that a player renounded for dribbling and running with the ball, could be adapted to a system where the biggest no-no is running with the ball and losing possession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, AshVilla said: Where is the Jack with the tricks that used to run at players and terrify them. It's been coached out of him and its a right shame. Looks like jesus was a similar victim of the pep Guardiola style. A different player since he left. As for jack as I've said for years his best position is in the middle not on the wing as he doesnt have a lot of pace. Problem at city is that de bruyne plays there and he's better than jack. So pep has turned him into ryhiad Marhez. Edited September 7, 2022 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaVilla Posted September 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: The question is, who got it wrong? Had the standards at Villa been so low and for so long, that the fans mistook Jack for being a top player, or did Guardiola make the mistake of thinking that a player renounded for dribbling and running with the ball, could be adapted to a system where the biggest no-no is running with the ball and losing possession? He was brilliant, partly as he was our talisman and we let him play his game, in any way he saw fit, which allowed him to showcase his talent set(s). At Man City he's just another player in a system, expected to play in a certain way that doesnt in any way suit his natural talents or skill sets. Did we overrate him?, maybe a little, but he was brilliant. Does he suit Man City?, and does their system suit his natural talent?, not at all. He probably doesnt care, fat wages, won the League, got his medal, will prob win more medals, starting some games, not others, being a sub, prob doesnt bother him, but what is a pity, is that he will waste his best years being a bit part player and not being able to showcase his natural talents. Again, he prob doesnt care, neither should we now tbh, but he has gone from "possibly" the next Gazza and immortality at Villa as one of our greatest superstars, to hated/disliked by a fair percentage of the Villa fanbase and a substitute system player at Man City, oh well. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 He’s a diamond tipped cog in a machine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 17 hours ago, MaVilla said: He was brilliant, partly as he was our talisman and we let him play his game, in any way he saw fit, which allowed him to showcase his talent set(s). At Man City he's just another player in a system, expected to play in a certain way that doesnt in any way suit his natural talents or skill sets. Did we overrate him?, maybe a little, but he was brilliant. Does he suit Man City?, and does their system suit his natural talent?, not at all. I think he would be better off at Barcelona, where he could play a similar role to Pedri, who has a similar style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2022 18 hours ago, MakemineVanilla said: The question is, who got it wrong? Had the standards at Villa been so low and for so long, that the fans mistook Jack for being a top player, or did Guardiola make the mistake of thinking that a player renounded for dribbling and running with the ball, could be adapted to a system where the biggest no-no is running with the ball and losing possession? Neither really. He is a top player. But his defining attribute is his creativity when given license to roam. Pep is a great manager, but he insists on coaching positioning to the nearest yard. That's fine, it works, but we all saw that in such a system the quintessential Jack would be taken out of him. I just cannot see why Jack did not see it himself if we all could. Massive waste of a career. Could have been the next Gazza, now the next Ravel Morrison. I just hope he does a Merson, and moves on to a team where they just let him do his thing. Hope it's not us though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Perhaps we get a year or two out of Coutinho who then joins Las Vegas Villains and we get him back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted September 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2022 If it wasn’t for his obscene contract length and salary I could see him back here next summer, if not January. Still might, but probably won’t at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 10 hours ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Perhaps we get a year or two out of Coutinho who then joins Las Vegas Villains and we get him back? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, rjw63 said: Some proper fan boys on here isn’t there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 He was right about the momentum, we needed Emi in goal to break it up with his antics damnit after they pulled 1 back and who said Grilledfish isnt happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 5 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Grilledfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 6 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: He was right about the momentum, we needed Emi in goal to break it up with his antics damnit after they pulled 1 back and who said Grilledfish isnt happy He looks positively focused on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 6 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: He was right about the momentum, we needed Emi in goal to break it up with his antics damnit after they pulled 1 back and who said Grilledfish isnt happy I thought with all these superstars it was easy for pep and all he had to do was shout "for **** sake come on these lot are shit" And Grealish looks like a man who knows he's not kicking a ball that day and has no interest in being there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, rjw63 said: 9 hours ago, zab6359 said: Some proper fan boys on here isn’t there! Also there are bitter people here too, it works both ways... If you both actually paid more attention you would likely know I've been very critical of him. If you were both more acute you'd realise I never said I'd want him back at all. Edited September 9, 2022 by Zhan_Zhuang Diplomacy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 11 hours ago, zab6359 said: Some proper fan boys on here isn’t there! There are some people in their 30s still interested and like the best villa player theyve seen in their lifetime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Also there are bitter people here too, it works both ways... If you both actually paid more attention you would likely know I've been very critical of him. If you were both more acute you'd realise I never said I'd want him back at all. Haha chill out mate, stick Pacific Ocean Blue on the turntable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Tommo_b said: He looks positively focused on the floor. He looks stoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Weekend off. He’s gonna go **** mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Johnnyp said: Weekend off. He’s gonna go **** mental He’ll be on a whitey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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