Seat68 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Come round to my area and use the term black guy and you will live to regret it. I agree it isnt racist but to them they find it offensive Genuinely? Where do you live? A genuine question, also how do you describe someone that is black then? Usually if describing someone a person will go for the most obvious descriptor, when I lived in Trinidad it would have been ridiculous to describe someone as the black guy but if someone referred to my colleague, the only black guy in the team as the black guy its better than saying the guy with dark hair. Regardless genuinely where do you live that "the black guy" is so serious that a person might live to regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted January 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Come round to my area and use the term black guy and you will live to regret it. I agree it isnt racist but to them they find it offensive OK, i'll rephrase it - "It really isn't racist to anyone with more than one brain cell." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Its not about the music, its about always being uproar about ridiculous things about black people. For example if a white guy says "black guy" its deemed racist but then you see black guys like rappers calling people "white boys" but thats not deemed racist. Thats the point. All comes down to this "political correctness bullshit" god its 2016 not 1816 I hope the fact that the most you can complain about racism is that you can't say or do some (not really) racist things that black people can gives you pause. The fact that you can be offended by black people simply having their own awards (without getting into how ridiculous a WOBOs would be) and cry reverse racism says it all I think. There are people who wish that was the extent of the racism they have to deal with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, a m ole said: I think you have vastly missed the point. You said "why are there not WOBO's (MOWO's)?" I explained that the MOBO's started because of a, more than likely legitimate, impression of under-representation at typical awards ceremonies at the time which didn't reflect what music was really popular with all of society (not just the white, middle class). It's entirely understandable why people who feel under-represented aim to correct that. All you're doing by suggesting a white version of a black thing is highlighting the ridiculousness of that mis-representation in the first place. in 500 or so years when globalization means humans have blended into one giant beige mass and the concept of 'race' no longer exists and everyone has the same ancestors, you won't have to get so annoyed by certain groups of people wanting their voices heard in equal measure. i think your getting confused at what I am actually saying I am saying that white people don't complain about MOBOs being for music for black people but if there was a awards ceremony for just white people there would be uproar. I personally don't have a problem with it but I have a problem with them complaining all the time about turning things into skin colour PR bullshit when it isn't about that like what the Smiths are doing with the Oscars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Seat68 said: Genuinely? Where do you live? A genuine question, also how do you describe someone that is black then? Usually if describing someone a person will go for the most obvious descriptor, when I lived in Trinidad it would have been ridiculous to describe someone as the black guy but if someone referred to my colleague, the only black guy in the team as the black guy its better than saying the guy with dark hair. Regardless genuinely where do you live that "the black guy" is so serious that a person might live to regret it. I live in North London near Tottenham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I live in North London near Tottenham Maybe thats why it might be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stevo985 Posted January 28, 2016 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: i think your getting confused at what I am actually saying I am saying that white people don't complain about MOBOs being for music for black people but if there was a awards ceremony for just white people there would be uproar. Do you realise that the MOBOs aren't just for black people? The clue is in the word "origin" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Rich people problems, rather than tackle genuine inequality issues they are more concerned about being a part of the elite club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Do you realise that the MOBOs aren't just for black people? The clue is in the word "origin" Shows how often I watch them But you didnt answer the point I made about the part that winds me up, you seem to be more focused about the MOBOS awards itself than the point being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 28, 2016 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Shows how often I watch them But you didnt answer the point I made about the part that winds me up, you seem to be more focused about the MOBOS awards itself than the point being made. Your point was if there was an awards ceremony just for white people, there would be uproar. But there's no awards ceremony just for black people. So it's a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw95 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I'd be interested to know what @Demitri_C thought the M in MOBO stood for meaning it could be changed to W(hite)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: i think your getting confused at what I am actually saying I am saying that white people don't complain about MOBOs being for music for black people but if there was a awards ceremony for just white people there would be uproar. I personally don't have a problem with it but I have a problem with them complaining all the time about turning things into skin colour PR bullshit when it isn't about that like what the Smiths are doing with the Oscars. As has been mentioned, and I even wrote earlier that Ed Sheeran and so on are MOBO winners, they're not just for black people and that was one of the points I was making. Also it does sound like you are complaining that MOBOs are only for black people, directly contradicting your own point. It's not black people turning it into a skin colour issue. As I said, the creation of things like the MOBOs and other instances of black people deciding to celebrate their own culture, was due to the mainstream media not properly representing them. You act like there is no history of 'whitewashing' and institutional racism. Now, in this case, it might well be that black actors just didn't act very well this year. In reality, it's the industry that writes the scripts, the studios that pick which to produce and what directors to use, it's the directors that pick the actors, it's the acting schools that select the students, it's the audiences that choose what films to see, it's the American society and government that dictate who can afford to go to acting/music/any school. Personally I think the Smith's are misguided in what they are protesting against. But they absolutely definitely do have a right to be annoyed that in 2016 a country like the US hasn't worked harder to shake institutional racism Edited January 28, 2016 by a m ole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Do you realise that the MOBOs aren't just for black people? The clue is in the word "origin" Yay , I knew who one of them was (Amy Winehouse) do I get a prize ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I know who they all are (because the pictures have disappeared and been replaced by filenames in Tony's post). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 16 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Yay , I knew who one of them was (Amy Winehouse) do I get a prize ? Yep, you get a WOBO award. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Jada Pinkett is a ho and a loon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) The MOBO awards are about as racist as The Brit Awards are xenophobic. Actually they're less so. Edited January 28, 2016 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Still can't believe Cilla hasn't won a MOBO. She has been well and truly DiCaprioed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Music should not be categorised by skin colour. Region may make more sense. Your geographic location has more effect on how you are shaped than your colour. Reggae is Caribbean more than it is black. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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