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Violence outside Villa Park


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We walked past a load of Warsaw fans by the Tesco and towards Witton Lane island on the way to the ground at about 7:30pm and in fairness they seemed fine. The biggest worry was a few tanked up young Villa fans giving it the big un trying to antagonise them. We then walked the long way round to the Holte avoiding Witton Lane.

In the first half saw a few bottles fly into the lower Holte from Trinity Road which was apparently Warsaw fans. 

Disgusting what some of them have done but I am sure amongst them there would have been fans not wanting trouble and just there to enjoy the game and they have all lost out.

It made for a strange atmosphere in the ground having no away fans and knowing there was trouble outside. 

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4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

They are idiots but a lot of this is on UEFA. You don’t cancel people’s tickets. Either allow them all or ban them all. The in -between shit caused them to turn up! Im still waiting for a bloody train. 

unless i've missed something, their tickets weren't cancelled. they had an allocation of 1k (reduced as punishment for them kicking off in alkmaar). a load of fans turned up without tickets so a police operation was required. the additional fans without tickets coupled with an increasingly hostile atmosphere meant that the police ordered the fans not to be let in

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2 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

unless i've missed something, their tickets weren't cancelled. they had an allocation of 1k (reduced as punishment for them kicking off in alkmaar). a load of fans turned up without tickets so a police operation was required. the additional fans without tickets coupled with an increasingly hostile atmosphere meant that the police ordered the fans not to be let in

Could be the case. Some Polish fans were making out they had tickets but they were cancelled. Maybe lost in translation. Still think should be reduced to a complete fan ban rather than 1k. That way nobody turns up.

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1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Could be the case. Some Polish fans were making out they had tickets but they were cancelled. Maybe lost in translation. Still think should be reduced to a complete fan ban rather than 1k. That way nobody turns up.

i guess in a way their tickets were cancelled as no one was let in...but this was after they decided to kick off. but yes i agree with you, that the sensible thing would've been for an outright ban. which presumably they'll now have anyway.

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1 hour ago, flamingsombrero said:

The timeline of events on this will be interesting to see. Have they been dicked over with allocation last minute and gone berserk or travelled ticketless in numbers with the intent of causing trouble. Just hope no one gets hurt on their way home. Feels like an avoidable situation that has been mishandled and spiralled as a result.

definitely not last minute. they've been replying to various villa twitter accounts for weeks complaining about the allocation

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Just now, Talldarkandransome said:

There was a few in lower Doug Ellis, pretty sure they got escorted out

Same in A1 and A2 in the Upper Trinity, one of them got a slap on the way out by a Villa fan, stewards were incredibly slow to react. This was after their equaliser. 

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1 minute ago, hogso said:

Same in A1 and A2 in the Upper Trinity, one of them got a slap on the way out by a Villa fan, stewards were incredibly slow to react. This was after their equaliser. 

I don't know how they manage to get tickets. Stewards in Trinity are more worried about folk standing up

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39 minutes ago, sidcow said:

From The Holte you could see all the senior Old Bill in the control panicking about what to do. They were all standing over a table which I assume had stadium or street plans clearly all arguing with each other. Much waving of arms, pointing, forthright views being aired. 

What was abundantly clear was that there was no plan and they had no idea or agreement what to do. 

Considering they were completely expecting this, they had police vans from Stoke and the Mounted Police from Thames Valley I find it very surprising that they had no preconceived plan about what do do in the event they kettled the fans in the coach park and weren't going to let them in. 

I think they **** up and should have just let the ticketed fans in. 

I would be furious if I was an everyday fan looking forward to my overseas game, at a a Premier League ground and I was kettled with a bunch of hooligans, not allowed in the ground and missed the game after all that expense. 

I think they have lost the art of policing football in this manner. Having witnessed Football week in and week out through  the 70’s  and 80s and the 90s the police knew what to do and how to handle it. in reality tonight’s trouble wasn’t anything particularly over the top compared to the bad old days 

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39 minutes ago, sidcow said:

From The Holte you could see all the senior Old Bill in the control panicking about what to do. They were all standing over a table which I assume had stadium or street plans clearly all arguing with each other. Much waving of arms, pointing, forthright views being aired. 

What was abundantly clear was that there was no plan and they had no idea or agreement what to do. 

Considering they were completely expecting this, they had police vans from Stoke and the Mounted Police from Thames Valley I find it very surprising that they had no preconceived plan about what do do in the event they kettled the fans in the coach park and weren't going to let them in. 

I think they **** up and should have just let the ticketed fans in. 

I would be furious if I was an everyday fan looking forward to my overseas game, at a a Premier League ground and I was kettled with a bunch of hooligans, not allowed in the ground and missed the game after all that expense. 

Presumably they felt that it would be too hard to identify who actually had tickets if it was less than half of those present. That being said though, you kettle drunk people in a playground with nowhere to go on a freezing night, what actually were they expecting to happen?

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