fightoffyour Posted November 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2023 What happened to their fans when they were told they weren’t getting in? I don’t imagine they calmed down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2023 Lovely bunch of lads 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted November 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2023 Not a pleasant experience tonight. Proper anxious being inside the ground wondering what was awaiting afterwards. Thankfully all cleared by the time the game had finished in the direction I was headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 They are idiots but a lot of this is on UEFA. You don’t cancel people’s tickets. Either allow them all or ban them all. The in -between shit caused them to turn up! Im still waiting for a bloody train. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) We walked past a load of Warsaw fans by the Tesco and towards Witton Lane island on the way to the ground at about 7:30pm and in fairness they seemed fine. The biggest worry was a few tanked up young Villa fans giving it the big un trying to antagonise them. We then walked the long way round to the Holte avoiding Witton Lane. In the first half saw a few bottles fly into the lower Holte from Trinity Road which was apparently Warsaw fans. Disgusting what some of them have done but I am sure amongst them there would have been fans not wanting trouble and just there to enjoy the game and they have all lost out. It made for a strange atmosphere in the ground having no away fans and knowing there was trouble outside. Edited November 30, 2023 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: They are idiots but a lot of this is on UEFA. You don’t cancel people’s tickets. Either allow them all or ban them all. The in -between shit caused them to turn up! Im still waiting for a bloody train. unless i've missed something, their tickets weren't cancelled. they had an allocation of 1k (reduced as punishment for them kicking off in alkmaar). a load of fans turned up without tickets so a police operation was required. the additional fans without tickets coupled with an increasingly hostile atmosphere meant that the police ordered the fans not to be let in 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 It’s funny how rumours spread. In the ground, I overheard that police officers had been stabbed and police cars had been overturned and set alight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, tomav84 said: unless i've missed something, their tickets weren't cancelled. they had an allocation of 1k (reduced as punishment for them kicking off in alkmaar). a load of fans turned up without tickets so a police operation was required. the additional fans without tickets coupled with an increasingly hostile atmosphere meant that the police ordered the fans not to be let in Could be the case. Some Polish fans were making out they had tickets but they were cancelled. Maybe lost in translation. Still think should be reduced to a complete fan ban rather than 1k. That way nobody turns up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post avfc1982am Posted November 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 Must be nothing worse than trying to act all hard and then making an absolute turkey of yourself falling on your mush while throwing a bottle of mustard. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Could be the case. Some Polish fans were making out they had tickets but they were cancelled. Maybe lost in translation. Still think should be reduced to a complete fan ban rather than 1k. That way nobody turns up. i guess in a way their tickets were cancelled as no one was let in...but this was after they decided to kick off. but yes i agree with you, that the sensible thing would've been for an outright ban. which presumably they'll now have anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted November 30, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) From The Holte you could see all the senior Old Bill in the control panicking about what to do. They were all standing over a table which I assume had stadium or street plans clearly all arguing with each other. Much waving of arms, pointing, forthright views being aired. What was abundantly clear was that there was no plan and they had no idea or agreement what to do. Considering they were completely expecting this, they had police vans from Stoke and the Mounted Police from Thames Valley I find it very surprising that they had no preconceived plan about what do do in the event they kettled the fans in the coach park and weren't going to let them in. I think they **** up and should have just let the ticketed fans in. I would be furious if I was an everyday fan looking forward to my overseas game, at a a Premier League ground and I was kettled with a bunch of hooligans, not allowed in the ground and missed the game after all that expense. Edited November 30, 2023 by sidcow 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, flamingsombrero said: The timeline of events on this will be interesting to see. Have they been dicked over with allocation last minute and gone berserk or travelled ticketless in numbers with the intent of causing trouble. Just hope no one gets hurt on their way home. Feels like an avoidable situation that has been mishandled and spiralled as a result. definitely not last minute. they've been replying to various villa twitter accounts for weeks complaining about the allocation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyvilla Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Total embarrassment to their club , you have to feel for the genuine supporters (if any ) who travelled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 There was a few in lower Doug Ellis, pretty sure they got escorted out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Just now, Talldarkandransome said: There was a few in lower Doug Ellis, pretty sure they got escorted out Same in A1 and A2 in the Upper Trinity, one of them got a slap on the way out by a Villa fan, stewards were incredibly slow to react. This was after their equaliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, hogso said: Same in A1 and A2 in the Upper Trinity, one of them got a slap on the way out by a Villa fan, stewards were incredibly slow to react. This was after their equaliser. I don't know how they manage to get tickets. Stewards in Trinity are more worried about folk standing up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meregreen Posted November 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2023 Legia fan on the radio saying they usually turn up to games on the continent without tickets, and the police and clubs panic and let them in. It doesn’t work like that in England matey. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted December 1, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2023 I was in the Upper Witton Lane, near the Holte, so couldn't see the away section and had no idea there were no fans in there until after the game. My Mom text me to say there had been a load of trouble but we didn't see anything serious. The first we knew of the extent of it was putting on Talksport in the car. One Legia fan called in to say how badly they'd been treated, it was Villa and not UEFA who had cut their allocation, they came with 3-4k because they're always able to buy tickets on the day. It was a load of old bollocks. I'd heard from a contact quite high up within the club earlier today that they were expecting big numbers without tickets and that Legia's MO was typically "to test security and see if they can get in". Arseholes. Parked near Lichfield Road and walked up that way. There were a few groups of Poles congregating and one group on particular near the Trinity/Witton junction who were ignoring police instructions - even though the instructions were in Polish. I was with my 8 yo daughter so I was on red alert all night. Just got back home now. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted December 1, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 1, 2023 39 minutes ago, sidcow said: From The Holte you could see all the senior Old Bill in the control panicking about what to do. They were all standing over a table which I assume had stadium or street plans clearly all arguing with each other. Much waving of arms, pointing, forthright views being aired. What was abundantly clear was that there was no plan and they had no idea or agreement what to do. Considering they were completely expecting this, they had police vans from Stoke and the Mounted Police from Thames Valley I find it very surprising that they had no preconceived plan about what do do in the event they kettled the fans in the coach park and weren't going to let them in. I think they **** up and should have just let the ticketed fans in. I would be furious if I was an everyday fan looking forward to my overseas game, at a a Premier League ground and I was kettled with a bunch of hooligans, not allowed in the ground and missed the game after all that expense. I think they have lost the art of policing football in this manner. Having witnessed Football week in and week out through the 70’s and 80s and the 90s the police knew what to do and how to handle it. in reality tonight’s trouble wasn’t anything particularly over the top compared to the bad old days 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 39 minutes ago, sidcow said: From The Holte you could see all the senior Old Bill in the control panicking about what to do. They were all standing over a table which I assume had stadium or street plans clearly all arguing with each other. Much waving of arms, pointing, forthright views being aired. What was abundantly clear was that there was no plan and they had no idea or agreement what to do. Considering they were completely expecting this, they had police vans from Stoke and the Mounted Police from Thames Valley I find it very surprising that they had no preconceived plan about what do do in the event they kettled the fans in the coach park and weren't going to let them in. I think they **** up and should have just let the ticketed fans in. I would be furious if I was an everyday fan looking forward to my overseas game, at a a Premier League ground and I was kettled with a bunch of hooligans, not allowed in the ground and missed the game after all that expense. Presumably they felt that it would be too hard to identify who actually had tickets if it was less than half of those present. That being said though, you kettle drunk people in a playground with nowhere to go on a freezing night, what actually were they expecting to happen? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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