Ratings & Reactions: Newcastle v Villa

[sheepyvillian]

Emery obviously doesn't rate Archer. I would have took Watkins off at half - time. That miss from the Diaby pass was dreadful. 

[TheStagMan]

Best to just forget this debacle and start again for the next game.

Losing Mings shook us. We were poor, but the officiating was utter garbage. Any tackle on a Newcastle player resulted in a foul while they were able to shove and kick our players at will.

The lack of fight for the last 30 mins was massively out of character and this has to be dealt with immediately. 

[Captain_Townsend]

What the **** is it with our luck?

[est1874]

4 minutes ago, Don_Simon said:

Hahahaha! Sense of humour is important after a defeat like this.

What exactly is funny about what I said? Genuine question. As there's no relation between your response and my post.

[osmark86]

2 minutes ago, Talldarkandransome said:

This thread should be a good read this week

Yeah I think I will hard pass it til next weekend lol.

One game lads. One game.

[villan95]

4 minutes ago, Rustibrooks said:

I’m sure quite a few people scoffed at the idea of signing Barnes

Yep and Gordon is awful apparently 

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

It was inevitable that there would be downs.

Exasperated by the extremely high expectations and dare i say even over optimism from some people.

Another reason I knew/felt all these talk of Champions League etc was setting us up for potential failure and embarrassment.

I have faith in him to get it right, bu ti don't think we can downplay the unexpected disruptions of the past few days.

 

[duke313]

3 minutes ago, briny_ear said:

It’s no fun being a Villa fan is it? Renewed hope dashed by reality. How often does this happen ? 

Emery has a lot to sort out but I won’t blame him if he becomes yet another manager overwhelmed  by the “Villa disease” 

That was one of the worst performances I have seen fie a long time.

 

Yeah finishing 7th and qualifying for Europe was shit wasn’t it?

[jim]

Needs to drop the high line, especially with the offside changes.

[IrishVilla10]

A big big worry is how narrow we want to build up, stop that and we have no answer. No Moreno kills any attacking threat on the left. I think we need Diaby out right and a forward beside Ollie. I’ve seen a lot of analysis of how we don’t press in the final third and allow teams to build up, I think it needs to change against better teams because they’re going to kill us with quality. 

[JoshVilla]

That's about the worst opening game of a season that I can remember. There's no doubt that the Mings injury completely rocked us, but it was concerning just how much of a shambles we looked today.

Konsa or Torres will have to seriously step up and show some leadership this season. Mings is a massive presence on the pitch and I do worry how our defence is going to look without his organisational skills.

[osmark86]

Just now, est1874 said:

What exactly is funny about what I said? Genuine question. As there's no relation between your response and my post.

He thinks you're overreacting obviously

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

Also, Newcastle are a very good team, and it seems they've proper made St. James intimidating.

[briny_ear]

1 minute ago, macandally said:

Good to see the bed wetting kicking off after one game!

First game of the season and we were 10% off all over the pitch.  Mings is a big loss and Bailey was awful today, couldn’t hold the ball and fell over when he lost it.

However, it’s one game and hopefully an anomaly that we put right quickly.  Just calm your jets!

You know, it is so predictable that someone is going to come along with the “bed wetting “ trope when people are reflecting on a truly shocking performance.

Is this supposed to be funny and clever?

It’s almost like blaming the fans for the rubbish we have just witnessed.

[MaVilla]

1 minute ago, Captain_Townsend said:

What the **** is it with our luck?

you make your own luck.

[Khizzy]

Didn't really have a proper plan after losing Mings, kept changing the system and players heads had already gone. Emery will need to pick them up before the next game. 

[StanBalaban]

That was terrible, but we can't extrapolate too much from the opening day.

We were very sloppy, missed great chances and gifted them goals. The Mings injury is terrible, especially on the back of Emi's ACL.

Diaby looked good, but pretty much everyone was off the pace.

Thankfully we have a manager that will analyse the **** out of the mistakes and has the footballing acumen to put things right for Everton.

[OutByEaster?]

First up congratulations to Newcastle, I thought they were excellent, they defend well, they're organised, they have strength, they press really well and they have talented players at the sharp end who can score goals. 

I thought we were poor and sloppy in places, but I think 5-1 is still flattering - they won the game in big moments - injuries, mistakes, close offside calls, penalty decisions and some really sloppy finishing from us - but overall, if you look at the stats on the game, we really weren't far off them, in general play we were right in the game, we just ruined that by sloppy moments and the silly offside law.

The last twenty minutes are what we'll remember, and we were shambolic in that period, but considering we were off it, we could well still have been level at half time and if Cash had put his chance away we might still have come back from 3-1.

The positives would for me be Diaby, who looks like a superstar in the making and Pau Torres coming on and looking okay and Coutinho with another nice cameo, it might be time for him to start a game. 

The big negative is the Mings injury obviously, it doesn't look a good one and we'll miss his leadership and his quality as a centre half, he's developed into a player who should be starting for England and to be without him for months is a real blow.

Beyond that Kamara looks out of form, and I thought Tielemans looked poor - we know there are things that he's not strong in, in terms of his running and so on, but his passing was really poor today and that's what he's there for. McGinn couldn't quite get on top of it and Luiz often looked to be doing his best work in the wrong parts of the pitch. Midfield might need a bit of a think.

We might have had the penalty for the foul on Luiz by Joelinton, Luiz and Diego Carlos might both have done better with headers from corners, Watkins might have tucked away the first half chance in the aftermath of Mings injury - woulda, shoulda, coulda - you have to take advantage of the key moments in games and you have to avoid making mistakes.

Taking advantage of key moments and avoiding mistakes - that was the difference between the sides.

File it under one to forget and beat Everton.

 

[TomC]

What is it about Villa and the first day of the season?

Let's say this first: Newcastle are an excellent side. I could see them in the mix for the title. We already knew they had an excellent defence, joint best in the league last year. But now they have a midfield capable of dominating. Guimaraes and Tonali ran the show. That was the biggest difference.

That said, they shouldn't be 5-1 better than us. Lots of blame to go around.

Kamara: He was off in 2 of the 3 preseason games that I saw, and was off again today. Lost his man for their first goal. Gave away the ball for their 5th. Lots of misplaced passes. I'm worried about him.

Doug: He wasn't poor, just mostly invisible. He and Kamara could not contain Tonali and Guimaraes,

Cash: Probably our busiest player today. Not as bad as some people in the match thread said. Just average.

Konsa: Bad mistake for their 3rd goal. Apparently forgot that he was now playing right back for their 5th and left Barnes unmarked on the flank. Just not mentally in it second half.

Pau: You can see his skill with the ball, but like Moreno did, he's going to need time to adjust to the PL. Lost his man for the 4th goal. Burned a few other times.

Digne: Nice work for our goal. Like Cash, kind of average.

Bailey: Just useless.

Diaby: The bright spot. The real deal.

Watkins: Worked his socks off. Nice flick-on for our goal; not something you see from his often. But not at his best overall.

McGinn: Did a lot of little things well.

Tielemans: Surprised to see us go 5-3-2, and even then, we got overrun in midfield. Not much wrong, just outclassed along with Doug and Kamara.

Mings: We're going to miss him. The defence did not look organized without him.

Unai: Outthought today. Newcastle exploited our high line and he didn't have an answer. Tried switching to 5-3-2 to get Cash and Digne forward more, and what does Howe do? Substitute fresh legs on both wings to make them defend, since both of them were already fatigued.

We can recover from this. The next two matches will be crucial to get our season on course.

 

[ozvilla28]

You name it disjointed unorganised no intent. It's the first game so let's not go overboard. Still maintain we didn't sign enough players.

Edited August 12, 2023 by ozvilla28