Unai Emery

[Tomaszk]

Some of the one touch football, fizzing it around is very tasty.

Carlos will be massive when he's back.

I must admit I don't like the extent to which we're playing out. This is definitely the time to try and improve it! I hope we'll be flexible on the pitch when the players see fit.

[Anything11]

We will be playing out from the back a majority of the time. Emery likes to create the triangle between CB-FB-CM to play around/through opposition press. Villareal Vs Bayern was a great example of this.

[TheAuthority]

On 03/12/2022 at 06:22, MaVilla said:

 

[Tommo_b]

Nothing wrong with a 442, big imposing centre forward and a smaller zippy one to chase the knock ons, perfect.

[fruitvilla]

When will the Roy of the Rovers 2,3,5 make a comeback? The game has gone. It's all about winning now. oops, wrong thread.

[Delphinho123]

7 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

Some of the one touch football, fizzing it around is very tasty.

Carlos will be massive when he's back.

I must admit I don't like the extent to which we're playing out. This is definitely the time to try and improve it! I hope we'll be flexible on the pitch when the players see fit.

Really makes me nervous. We’re going to concede a lot of goals through mistakes playing this way. We’ve already conceded one against Brighton.

I’m all for playing out from the back but if we don’t have the players to do it, Emery needs to recognise this. I’m sure Carlos will help but we’ll probably need a new right back playing this way and maybe even another centre half. 

[MrBlack]

2 hours ago, Delphinho123 said:

Really makes me nervous. We’re going to concede a lot of goals through mistakes playing this way. We’ve already conceded one against Brighton.

I’m all for playing out from the back but if we don’t have the players to do it, Emery needs to recognise this. I’m sure Carlos will help but we’ll probably need a new right back playing this way and maybe even another centre half. 

I'd love to know if the stats could demonstrate how much more likely you are to score by creating attacks this way, vs how much more likely you are to concede.

Or more specifically, us. A team with two confident ball playing centre backs, well practiced in the art would be increasing their chance of scoring and not really exposing themselves defensively. Maybe even reducing the chance of conceding as they keep the ball for longer.

A team like us, with two defenders that aren't well practiced in this approach, are going to have to accept we increase the risk of conceding, as well as the chance of scoring, until we get more used to it. 

It's a trade off I'm happy for us to take.

[TRO]

17 hours ago, TheAuthority said:

4-4-2 come back............................Trends, fashion.

Edited December 12, 2022 by TRO

[icouldtelltheworld]

30 minutes ago, TRO said:

4-4-2 come back............................Trends, fashion.

PARKLIFE

[HKP90]

Meh, formations on paper don't mean much these days. Fluidity, boys. And pivot.

[TRO]

7 hours ago, HKP90 said:

Meh, formations on paper don't mean much these days. Fluidity, boys. And pivot.

Formations morph in and out of possession anyway.

[gwi1890]

4-4-2 is the most used formation in La Liga . Argentina played a 4-4-2 last night with a midfield 4 rather than wingers… just like we do, guess it didn’t die with the dinosaur after all.

[duke313]

53 minutes ago, gwi1890 said:

4-4-2 is the most used formation in La Liga . Argentina played a 4-4-2 last night with a midfield 4 rather than wingers… just like we do, guess it didn’t die with the dinosaur after all.

442 can easily transition into a 4231.  One of the strikers drops into the 10 position and the two wide players push up and you have a 4231.

[Delphinho123]

3 minutes ago, duke313 said:

442 can easily transition into a 4231.  One of the strikers drops into the 10 position and the two wide players push up and you have a 4231.

Exactly, it's basically the same system.

[Sulberto21]

15 minutes ago, duke313 said:

442 can easily transition into a 4231.  One of the strikers drops into the 10 position and the two wide players push up and you have a 4231.

 

11 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

Exactly, it's basically the same system.

So that’s what tactics Tim is doing in that gif……..

ahead of the curve

[Pinebro]

Burnley and Southampton the most recent examples playing 4-4-2 in Premier League.

Not exactly massive success stories.

I'm skeptical but happy to be swayed if Unai can make it work.

[AntrimBlack]

On 12/12/2022 at 06:34, fruitvilla said:

When will the Roy of the Rovers 2,3,5 make a comeback? The game has gone. It's all about winning now. oops, wrong thread.

Ah. The good old high-scoring days.

[duke313]

3 minutes ago, Pinebro said:

Burnley and Southampton the most recent examples playing 4-4-2 in Premier League.

Not exactly massive success stories.

I'm skeptical but happy to be swayed if Unai can make it work.

The formation isn't that important, it's the style of play and team/player instructions that matter.  Man City recently have played a 442 in the Champions League, yet they don't play the same way as Burnley or Southampton.

An efficient team should be able to play the same way they always do, even if the formation changes.

[VillaJ100]

The last team I remember playing an 'old fashioned' 442 was Pellegrini's man city but they had prime Fernandinho and Yaya Toure in CM so says it all

Edited December 14, 2022 by VillaJ100

[HKP90]

57 minutes ago, duke313 said:

442 can easily transition into a 4231.  One of the strikers drops into the 10 position and the two wide players push up and you have a 4231.

It can, but your 10/8 tends to have to be more of an attacking presence, and needs to be a good finisher, and your other, more defensive mid needs to be reeeeeeeeaaaly good.